Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (76 Viewers)

[BayernFan]

But I heard on Tuz that Western media is all propaganda too and just as bad.

It’s the West/NATO’s fault

 

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[Post Ironic]

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news...-violent-ambush-in-ukraine-this-week-12557585

russians and journalists, what a love affair

Canada just as bad. I’m positive we’ve been killing and jailing CBC journalists daily!

 

[Alen]

But I heard on Tuz that Western media is all propaganda too and just as bad.

Isn't it? Or at least for the most part. Now, we can argue that the propaganda in this particular case is for good cause, but can we argue that it's not propaganda?
One can say "what about the Russian media?" and even though I don't follow it, I trust our Russian friends here and I can imagine that it's far worse. But I'd be stupid not to see that western media are acting as cheerleaders for war.
I was reading a piece by a British author, expert on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and I think he has a point when he writes these parts:

"(Western) Journalists are cheering on the arming of militias and civilians (in Ukraine) making improvised explosives – acts they usually treat as terrorism.
It is simply astonishing how many western journalists, including normally cautious BBC reporters, are fawning over young women building Molotov cocktails on the streets of Ukrainian cities like Kyiv. Western journalists’ difficulty containing their identification with, and support for, Ukraine’s civilian 'resistance' must be maddening to Palestinians in tiny Gaza. It’s suddenly sexy to make improvised explosives – at least, if the media consider you white, European and "civilised".
That might surprise other, more established resistance movements, especially in the Middle East. They have invariably found themselves tarred as terrorists for doing much the same."

"In the case of Ukraine... there were widespread, inciteful and entirely fictitious reports in the western media of Russian troops butchering a contingent of 13 Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island, in the Black Sea. A fake audio tape was released of the Ukrainians supposedly cursing the Russian invaders. Ukraine’s government promised each of them a Hero of Ukraine award. But in fact, it was Russian media reports that were true. There were 82 Ukrainian soldiers and they had surrendered. All were alive and well. In another example, a clip from a video game was widely promoted as a heroic lone Ukrainian fighter pilot – dubbed the Ghost of Kyiv – shooting down Russian planes and helicopters.
Misinformation has been shared on western social media accounts, and most of it is designed to evoke sympathy for Ukraine and hostility to Russia."

 

[Post Ironic]

Isn't it? Or at least for the most part. Now, we can argue that the propaganda in this particular case is for good cause, but can we argue that it's not propaganda?
One can say "what about the Russian media?" and even though I don't follow it, I trust our Russian friends here and I can imagine that it's far worse. But I'd be stupid not to see that western media are acting as cheerleaders for war.
I was reading a piece by a British author, expert on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and I think he has a point when he writes these parts:

"(Western) Journalists are cheering on the arming of militias and civilians (in Ukraine) making improvised explosives – acts they usually treat as terrorism.
It is simply astonishing how many western journalists, including normally cautious BBC reporters, are fawning over young women building Molotov cocktails on the streets of Ukrainian cities like Kyiv. Western journalists’ difficulty containing their identification with, and support for, Ukraine’s civilian 'resistance' must be maddening to Palestinians in tiny Gaza. It’s suddenly sexy to make improvised explosives – at least, if the media consider you white, European and "civilised".
That might surprise other, more established resistance movements, especially in the Middle East. They have invariably found themselves tarred as terrorists for doing much the same."

"In the case of Ukraine... there were widespread, inciteful and entirely fictitious reports in the western media of Russian troops butchering a contingent of 13 Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island, in the Black Sea. A fake audio tape was released of the Ukrainians supposedly cursing the Russian invaders. Ukraine’s government promised each of them a Hero of Ukraine award. But in fact, it was Russian media reports that were true. There were 82 Ukrainian soldiers and they had surrendered. All were alive and well. In another example, a clip from a video game was widely promoted as a heroic lone Ukrainian fighter pilot – dubbed the Ghost of Kyiv – shooting down Russian planes and helicopters.
Misinformation has been shared on western social media accounts, and most of it is designed to evoke sympathy for Ukraine and hostility to Russia."

No, it’s really not. I mean, if you’re talking opinion pieces and commentary, it shall be slanted and biased generally, but it’s free and independent from government control. Are there influences, are there bad actors, is there money involved causing bias and bad faith articles? Of course. Do they make errors? Yes. They also offer retractions. But let’s stop calling social media news, eh?

we have all sorts of media here in the west. I can get any perspective I want. From full-on white nationalist fascism, to Neo-Marxist insanity. None of it banned, no journalists jailed or intimidated with threats by the government. So the comparison that Dusan, for example, constantly makes is rather dumb. Our media has its issues, because humans are humans, but it’s about as good as it can get. And the non-opinion, non-commentary reporting is generally excellent.

Just because some live in nations like Russia where journalists get jailed if they don’t walk the party line, doesn’t mean our news here is anything like this.

And what are you talking about ? Much of our news/opinion here has been incredibly pro-Palestine for as long as I can remember, and incredibly critical of what the west has done in the Middle East.

 

[Dostoevsky]

The level of retardism increases

- Zagreb philharmonic orchestra cuts Tchaikovsky
- Russian breed cats banned from competitions
- Italian university bans Dostoevsky course

All are just amazing.

 

[Elvin]

The level of retardism increases

- Zagreb philharmonic orchestra cuts Tchaikovsky
- Russian breed cats banned from competitions
- Italian university bans Dostoevsky course

All are just amazing.

everything Russian will now be avoided like a plague; the times of gentlemanly conduct is over. Russia is the enemy of civilization right now. No one is gonna waste time sitting and separating good Russians from bad right now.

 

[Dostoevsky]

everything Russian will now be avoided like a plague; the times of gentlemanly conduct is over. Russia is the enemy of civilization right now.

I could digest banning media, although that may be wrong too, but this is just plain stupid bro.

 

[abstract]

The level of retardism increases

- Zagreb philharmonic orchestra cuts Tchaikovsky
- Russian breed cats banned from competitions
- Italian university bans Dostoevsky course

All are just amazing.

 

[Post Ironic]

everything Russian will now be avoided like a plague; the times of gentlemanly conduct is over. Russia is the enemy of civilization right now. No one is gonna waste time sitting and separating good Russians from bad right now.

Don’t say this to mother Russia fanbois

 

[Elvin]

I could digest banning media, although that may be wrong too, but this is just plain stupid bro.

like I said, no one will bother differentiating now.

 

[Dostoevsky]

like I said, no one will bother differentiating now.

I see you edited your post and added "good or bad Russians". While I see your point, I'm talking about cats and dead people who contributed to culture world-wide.

 

[JuveJay]

I agree with banning anything which directly or indirectly brings money to the Russian government, but banning everything else is just hot air symbolism.

 

[JuveJay]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-vodka-uk-supermarket-soviet-spelling-ukraine

I don't eat these but this did make me smile. Russian Standard vodka is getting killed over here as it is actually made in Russia. People are actively looking for Ukrainian vodka

 

[Elvin]

I agree with banning anything which directly or indirectly brings money to the Russian government, but banning everything else is just hot air symbolism.

yes, it's symbolism and it's also important.

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I see you edited your post and added "good or bad Russians". While I see your point, I'm talking about cats and dead people who contributed to culture world-wide.

a line has been drawn, no one gives a shit about their culture anymore... as far as I'm concerned their culture contributed/did not prevent them becoming shit-heads as a nation.

Once this whole thing is over, we can talk about culture.

 

[Dostoevsky]

"In the case of Ukraine... there were widespread, inciteful and entirely fictitious reports in the western media of Russian troops butchering a contingent of 13 Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island, in the Black Sea. A fake audio tape was released of the Ukrainians supposedly cursing the Russian invaders. Ukraine’s government promised each of them a Hero of Ukraine award. But in fact, it was Russian media reports that were true. There were 82 Ukrainian soldiers and they had surrendered. All were alive and well. In another example, a clip from a video game was widely promoted as a heroic lone Ukrainian fighter pilot – dubbed the Ghost of Kyiv – shooting down Russian planes and helicopters.
Misinformation has been shared on western social media accounts, and most of it is designed to evoke sympathy for Ukraine and hostility to Russia."

List probably goes on. There was also a situation when they said Russian tank ran over a civilian car and they satanized it. Turns out to be Ukranian tank and it all goes silent. But apparently once Russia spreads bullshit it's the devils themselves but once western journalism does it then it's a human factor and a mistake.

I even said I do see Russian's propaganda but I also think western one is full of it. If anything, the impact of western media is far worse than Russian simply due to language barrier, because on this side you have English where everyone understands it and spreading false info is way more harmful and it's impact is quite huge.

 

[Dostoevsky]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-vodka-uk-supermarket-soviet-spelling-ukraine

I don't eat these but this did make me smile. Russian Standard vodka is getting killed over here as it is actually made in Russia. People are actively looking for Ukrainian vodka

Reminded of that girl on a TV show promoting feminism, when she wondered why Manchester is called Manchester and not Womenchester or Peoplechester.

 

[JuveJay]

Reminded of that girl on a TV show promoting feminism, when she wondered why Manchester is called Manchester and not Womenchester or Peoplechester.

Still my favourite:


Awomen

 

[U Picciriddu]

List probably goes on. There was also a situation when they said Russian tank ran over a civilian car and they satanized it. Turns out to be Ukranian tank and it all goes silent. But apparently once Russia spreads bullshit it's the devils themselves but once western journalism does it then it's a human factor and a mistake.

I even said I do see Russian's propaganda but I also think western one is full of it. If anything, the impact of western media is far worse than Russian simply due to language barrier, because on this side you have English where everyone understands it and spreading false info is way more harmful and it's impact is quite huge.

There’s a thick line between a false video or audio fragment and banning words as invasion or war to journalists.

And most Western news actually did say that the audio fragment on the island turned out to be fake.

Freedom of speech gets respected in Western countries and Russian journalists are getting prisoned.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Still my favourite:


Awomen

First time I see this WTF

 

[Alex-444]

Russia banned twitter
Russia banned FB (newer use this shit)