Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (55 Viewers)

[JuventusUruguay]

What would you rather have them do?

Influence Russian society. As they did with Black Lives Matter in the US.

 

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[Tomice]

Interesting read that interprets Putin's moves from the perspective of a semipro gambler:
https://newlinesmag.com/argument/why-putin-is-playing-poker-not-chess/

First, the caveats. Yeah, there's a chunk of details with professional backgammon jargon in the middle that can be a distraction. And the Newlines Institute is known as a rather US hawkish (imperialist to some) think tank, with a track record of calling out China for Uyghur genocide and seeking political transformation in the Middle East.

But it describes the long poker game Putin is likely playing, why he might seem out of his mind even when he might not be, and failures on the part of the West to play sufficient counter moves. (Short story: the West holds a much better hand but has failed to draw lines with clear ramifications for crossing them to show Putin they have the means and they aren't bluffing.)

Excellent piece. Spot on analysis. Used some poker metaphors myself here a few times, very apt for this situation.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Western companies leaving Russia are not going to overthrow Putin. In fact, they are helping him to do the dirty work. He doesn’t need to censure those companies now, since they are not in Russia anymore. People here are underestimating the power of companies in a society.

I assume you mean overestimate?

Otherwise you're contradicting yourself, I think.

 

[Elvin]

It’s easier to control a starving society. Aside from the fact that western companies could serve as opposition to Putin’s government. You are blind by your feelings toward this situation.

Who the fuck told you that? Once youre hungry you dont give a shit about going to jail.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

It’s easier to control a starving society. Aside from the fact that western companies could serve as opposition to Putin’s government. You are blind by your feelings toward this situation.

This country is left without airplanes, without software, without intel and amd processors, without new cars and spare parts for old cats, our national assets are frozen, are you fucking kidding me?

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Who the fuck told you that? Once youre hungry you dont give a shit about going to jail.

He's a madman

 

[JuventusUruguay]

Who the fuck told you that? Once youre hungry you dont give a shit about going to jail.

Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea told me. Those countries that have almost 60 years starving with no regime change. Not even close. So, go out of your American/European comfort zone and think a little bit outside of your bubble.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea told me. Those countries that have almost 60 years starving with no regime change. Not even close. So, go out of your American/European comfort zone and think a little bit outside of your bubble.

All these countries have nothing in common with current situation in Russia, they were never part of the western world or Europe like Russia was, Russian have different mentality and Russians are used to different way of living while now we are going to lose it all and rightly so

 

[Ronn]

Liberation

 

[Elvin]

Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea told me. Those countries that have almost 60 years starving with no regime change. Not even close. So, go out of your American/European comfort zone and think a little bit outside of your bubble.

That's because they have never been full in the first place; Russia is a different story.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

That's because they have never been full in the first place; Russia is a different story.

Venezuela used to be quite prosperous

 

[JuventusUruguay]

All these countries have nothing in common with current situation in Russia, they were never part of the western world or Europe like Russia was, Russian have different mentality and Russians are used to different way of living while now we are going to lose it all and rightly so

“We are not Cuba”, that was what Venezuelans said before actually becoming Cuba. And Russian government has way more power than Cuban and Venezuelan governments to crush opposition.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

“We are not Cuba”, that was what Venezuelans said before actually becoming Cuba. And Russian government has way more power than Cuban and Venezuelan governments to crush opposition.

Bruh, our opposition leaders are either dead, in jail or fled the country, you don't know shit about us lol

 

[Elvin]

Venezuela used to be quite prosperous

Meh, Moscow alone was worth more.

 

[JuventusUruguay]

Bruh, our opposition leaders are either dead, in jail or flew the country, you don't know shit about us lol

Well, you finally got my point! Congratulations.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Meh, Moscow alone was worth more.

Idk what you mean by that but just saying, Venezuela ain't no Cuba

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Well, you finally got my point! Congratulations.

No, your point was is that even during famine nothing is gonna change in Russia and you are completely wrong, even USSR have collapsed because of poverty, and also they've became bankrupted, which is now going to happen to Russia

 

[JuventusUruguay]

No, your point was is that even during famine nothing is gonna change in Russia and you are completely wrong, even USSR have collapsed because of poverty, and also they've became bankrupted, which is now going to happen to Russia

Well, the USSR had a famine in 1921, 1932 and in 1947. It took almost 100 years to change the regime of the USSR and is debatable if it was because of poverty or because the US took a huge advantage in the Cold War during Reagan’s presidency. Also, remember that Putin’s Russia has China as an ally, which the USSR did not have.

 

[kappa96]

Venezuela used to be quite prosperous

Until Maduro probably realised that property means government change from time to time and just said f' it.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Until Maduro probably realised that property means government change from time to time and just said f' it.

It started before Maduro but yeah

 

[kappa96]

It started before Maduro but yeah

I don't know the history. I just assumed that this was the case.
BTW I used to watch Venezuelan soap operas (telenovelas) with my mother when I was 14 to 16 years old. Boy, they had so much hot chicks in there.