Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (43 Viewers)

[ALC]

It’s a shared Slavic ethnolinguistic group with close cultural ties. Beyond that, not coming from a region with widespread anti-western sentiment and hotbed breeding ground for terrorist groups. Of course governments are going to be more concerned about unknown refugees arriving from the Middle East/North Africa as opposed to from Ukraine. People just want to be outraged about everything they think they can link to racism/bigotry/white privilege.

lol imagine being angry at the truth

 

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[Post Ironic]

It’s interesting that some talk about Luhansk and Donetsk as though Russia just defending pro-Russia populace from Ukrainian military violence… when the only reason they are pro-Russia is the population shift after Stalin’s Holodomor enforced famine/genocide against the Ukrainian peasants and then settlement of ethnic Russians in their place, most significantly in Eastern Ukraine.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2016/11...-were-massively-occupied-by-russian-settlers/

A good read.

 

[Elvin]

Putin is no where to be seen btw, Shoigu too, on Monday Russian economy is going to start to die

Please let it be suicide.

 

[Bjerknes]

Wut is this

 

[Post Ironic]

Wut is this

Russia under Putin has long had the use of tactical battlefield nukes in their plans. Escalation to the point of forcing a ceasefire on favourable terms, because at that point any further escalation is doomsday.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Putin is no where to be seen btw, Shoigu too, on Monday Russian economy is going to start to die

Good luck to you man, I hope you get through the coming weeks ok too.

 

[duranfj]

Russia under Putin has long had the use of tactical battlefield nukes in their plans. Escalation to the point of forcing a ceasefire on favourable terms, because at that point any further escalation is doomsday.

The world has been nuclear for decades now. Self destruction is the only thing had proved to be able to stop crazy autocrats in the past.

Putin moves nukes, moves nukes closer to them, bend over and the escalation will be there and not just for rebuilding the USSR but considering the high number of autocrats around the world, it will be way bigger than that

 

[Ronn]

Wut is this

A terribly worded statement. Nuclear weapons have been taken to Belarus. Not necessarily means they’ll be used.

 

[Post Ironic]

A terribly worded statement. Nuclear weapons have been taken to Belarus. Not necessarily means they’ll be used.

Apparently there is a referendum to be held first on whether or not to allow Russia to place nukes in Belarus. I assumed that means they shall be allowed.

Anyways, there is quite a lot of info available on Putin and Russian command believing that they can’t win a conventional war with NATO so believe tactical battlefield nukes are an acceptable strategy to force peace if they were to say invade the Baltic States to stop themselves being pushed back. And they hold a very distinct advantage with regards to these sort of weapons and have a madman in power who seems unafraid to use them.


https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/02/america-isnt-ready-for-russias-battlefield-nuclear-weapons/

 

[Bjerknes]

Listening to these military guys again and they are absolutely shocked at how stupid the Russian tactics have been. Either they must have thought they wouldn’t have any resistance or they’re just retarded. Dude just said he doesn’t know how to fix their situation because they’re just fucked up

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1BdxYwdyQrQGX

 

[Post Ironic]

Listening to these military guys again and they are absolutely shocked at how stupid the Russian tactics have been. Either they must have thought they wouldn’t have any resistance or they’re just retarded. Dude just said he doesn’t know how to fix their situation because they’re just fucked up

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1BdxYwdyQrQGX

Hopefully NATO is rapidly supplying Ukraine with high tech air defense and anti-tank weaponry or Russia is going to eventually overwhelm with sheer numbers and volume of military equipment.

 

[Strickland]

Fingers crossed the new sanctions fuck up the rouble good.

The SWIFT sanctions on banks will also probably trigger bank runs

 

[Post Ironic]

Fingers crossed the new sanctions fuck up the rouble good.

Did you read this yet? It’s a really good explanation of just how bad Central Bank sanctions could fuck Russia’s economy. Almost to the point where full scale Central Bank sanctions would be too devastating.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/how-russian-sanctions-work/622940/

What does it mean that Russia “has” X or Y in foreign reserves? Where do these reserves exist? The dollars, euros, and pounds owned by the Russian central bank—Russia may own them, but Russia does not control them. Almost all those hundreds of billions of Russian-owned assets are controlled by foreign central banks. Russia’s reserves exist as notations in the records of central banks in the West, especially the European Central Bank and the Federal Reserve. Most of Russia’s reserves are literally IOUs to the Russian central bank from Western governments.

Remember the saying “If you owe the bank $10,000, you have a problem—but if you owe the bank $10 billion, the bank has a problem?” We, the people of the Western world collectively owe the Russian state hundreds of billions of dollars. That’s not our problem. That’s Russia’s problem, an enormous one. Because one thing any debtor can do is … not pay when asked.​

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[Tomice]

I got sucked into all of this because of a comment saying third reich = ussr. Issue with this thread is that its so hardline pro ukranian that all nuance is sucked out of the conflict. People go so far as to claim, that NATO poses no threat to Russia. Claiming the opposite suddenly makes you pro-Putin. Its amazing.

Free thinker is used as a derogatory term for anyone who steps out of the doctrine, too. Im not interested in arguing feelings, Im very much interested in trying to figure out how this is going to end, why and how to stop it from happening again.

My Bet is its going to end with peace talks and concessions to Russia. Probably the same concessions that wouldve prevented thousands of civilian casualties.


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Of course the thread is hardline pro-Ukrainian, they are literally being invaded by a totalitarian superpower. Before the invasion started there was a more "nuanced" discussion in the general news thread, with many of the points you are making being discussed.

With that said your arguments are perceived as bluntly pro-russian because they are tone-deft, (surprised face) not because they are factually wrong necessarily.

To your last point I think I would've agreed with you 100% before this war actually started. Now with seeing how the campaign is going for the Russians I think they would need to settle for much less.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Wut is this

If anything like that were to be used then the leadership in russia truly have lost their minds.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

If anything like that were to be used then the leadership in russia truly have lost their minds.

Where have you been in the past 10+ years ? They are madmans

 

[X Æ A-12]

Where have you been in the past 10+ years ? They are madmans

Your politics get very little coverage here unless they are weaponizable for domestic aims like the whole Trump & Putin affair.

 

[Tomice]

Wut is this

Unfourtenetly so far nuclear weapons seem to mostly serve the opposite purpose to the advertised. They enable aggression instead of being a deterrent

 

[X Æ A-12]

Where have you been in the past 10+ years ? They are madmans

What is the general public mood like in Russia? They support this? Don't care? Hate it?

 

[ALC]

President Putin and his driver were on their way to Kyiv in a car when all of a sudden they hit a pig near a farmhouse, killing it instantly.
Putin told his driver to go up to the farmhouse and explain to the owners what had happened.

About one hour later Putin sees his driver staggering back to the car with a bottle of Horilka (Ukrainian vodka) in one hand, a cigar in the other and his clothes all ripped and torn.

"What happened to you?" asked Putin.

"Well, the farmer gave me the Horilka, his wife gave me a box of cigars and their 19-year-old and 21-year-old daughters made mad passionate love to me simultaneously.

"My God, what did you tell them?" asks Putin.
The driver replies, "I'm president Putin’s driver, and I just killed the pig."