Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (34 Viewers)

[campionesidd]

interesting video and obviously complicated stuff.

I dont know enough to speak on this with any type of certainty: it just seems to me like a potentially terrible situation , that tyrranical states like Russia and China is potentially going to work closely together going forward. Its scary

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GDP is not the point, im talking about the potential of unstability and further war in the world.

this was recorded a few days before the invasion, but he talks about the same concept here:

That’s such a retarded argument. NATO is a defensive treaty, not an offensive one. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are already members of NATO, if they weren’t, Russia would have annexed them long ago.

 

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[AFL_ITALIA]

It isn't but during the war it's quite a lot I'd say.

I think it also depends on what's happening on the ground. If Ukrainian forces are able to hold territory and really put up a fight, it emboldens the west to act more and with increased speed.

 

[Elvin]

Euros: we stand for human rights, civil liberties and oppose tyranny
Also euros: genocide every Russian man, woman, and child

It's not abnormal to hate a war-happy nation.

 

[GiocataGrande]

That’s such a retarded argument. NATO is a defensive treaty, not an offensive one. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are already members of NATO, if they weren’t, Russia would have annexed them long ago.

what argument ? you lost me

 

[Dostoevsky]

I think it also depends on what's happening on the ground. If Ukrainian forces are able to hold territory and really put up a fight, it emboldens the west to act more and with increased speed.

In other words, let Ukranians fight their war while big guys sit around the big table and discuss future.

2 days isn't much if it's pressing a big red button and other big questions, but at this point it just seems like stalling while Russians finish what they had in mind.

 

[campionesidd]

what argument ? you lost me

The argument that Ukraine’s push to join NATO justifies Russia’s aggression against them.

 

[kappa96]

Russia and China combining for the sake of their economy won't work. Both can be neutralised by cutting trade and other countries can become very prosperous in their place. Russia will lose out financially from this escapade anyway, every country must now be thinking of alternatives and the only thing left now is to show that the world does have the military balls to go head to head with Russia. A lot goes on behind the scenes but let's not forget that North Korea stepped down a lot when the USA flexed its muscles which must've been from an economic standpoint rather than military threats.

Just wait until European, American, Japan etc. multinationals start to move their production out of China and into new emergent countries like India Vietnam, Indonesia, a process already started.
After that we are going to see how though China really is.

 

[Valerio.]

interesting video and obviously complicated stuff.

I dont know enough to speak on this with any type of certainty: it just seems to me like a potentially terrible situation , that tyrranical states like Russia and China is potentially going to work closely together going forward. Its scary

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GDP is not the point, im talking about the potential of unstability and further war in the world.

this was recorded a few days before the invasion, but he talks about the same concept here:

Guys let's play a game
What would United States do if Mexico join an alliance with Russia and China.
China/Russia send men,weapons and missiles in Mexico
Would USA wait for this to happen or stop it before?

We all know the answer.
This is the same. Ukraine wanted to join Nato and that imply soldiers,weapon and more in there.

What I don't understand (oh well I understand their free will to join the west rather than stay a russian puppets) what they thought would happen.
Did they think Russia wouldn't dare?

 

[GiocataGrande]

The argument that Ukraine’s push to join NATO justifies Russia’s aggression against them.

ah well, i dont agree on everything that guy said or wrote in his twitter post: it was more about the Russia-China relation and power structures, thats why i posted it

 

[Ronn]

Bans might help a little but Putin and goons have thought of that beforehand for sure.
For example Iran is 100% ally and supporter if not by military but with agriculture and supplies and food. China and Russia practically own Iranian mines this includes fuel, coal etc. This while not exactly a secret, is underestimated. West needs to wake the fuck up or the Mongol genes will kill 1/10 of world population like Putin's idol Genghis Khan did back in the day.

Iranian currency have lost 90% of its value in past 3 years. Iran is under heavy sanctions and and is also a dry country that can’t produce her own food. Iran can offer cheap oil, which Russia already has plenty of.

 

[campionesidd]

ah well, i dont agree on everything that guy said or wrote in his twitter post: it was more about the Russia-China relation and power structures, thats why i posted it

Yeah it sucks for Russia and China to be close, but if that's the price the West has to pay to punish Putin and Russia for his actions, so be it.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

In other words, let Ukranians fight their war while big guys sit around the big table and discuss future.

2 days isn't much if it's pressing a big red button and other big questions, but at this point it just seems like stalling while Russians finish what they had in mind.

In a way, yes. Otherwise it would seem futile. But again, unless the west sends in armed forces, nothing they do is going to put a stop to this.

Guys let's play a game
What would United States do if Mexico join an alliance with Russia and China.
China send men,weapons and missiles in Mexico
Would USA wait for this to happen or stop it before?

We all know the answer.
This is the same. Ukraine wanted to join Nato and that imply soldiers,weapon and more in there.

What I don't understand (oh well I understand their free will to join the west rather than stay a russian puppets) what they thought would happen.
Did they think Russia wouldn't dare?

Do you think the United States would be right to do that? Is it not Mexico's right to determine the direction of their nation and people? Would the United States then move to annex their territory? Come on.

 

[radekas]

russia and inter milan are two abominations I would not miss if they stopped existing

 

[GiocataGrande]

Yeah it sucks for Russia and China to be close, but if that's the price the West has to pay to punish Putin and Russia for his actions, so be it.

i would say it more than sucks. Its horror movie material

 

[Ronn]

At this point when it takes 2 days to make a small move it does seem terrible.

Having a sole decision maker seems pretty good in times you need to take swift action. Unfortunately you can’t easily get rid of that person afterwards.

 

[Valerio.]

In a way, yes. Otherwise it would seem futile. But again, unless the west sends in armed forces, nothing they do is going to put a stop to this.

Do you think the United States would be right to do that? Is it not Mexico's right to determine the direction of their nation and people? Would the United States then move to annex their territory? Come on.

they would everything in their power to not let that happens
Don't you agree? regardless of what Mexico wish or not.
Let's not kid ourselves
Usa would never allow another army in North America and it would be impossible to defend the borders

 

[campionesidd]

i would say it more than sucks. Its horror movie material

Let's not pretend it wouldn't happen one day without Western intervention any way.

 

[Strickland]

Guys let's play a game
What would United States do if Mexico join an alliance with Russia and China.
China send men,weapons and missiles in Mexico
Would USA wait for this to happen or stop it before?

We all know the answer.
This is the same. Ukraine wanted to join Nato and that imply soldiers,weapon and more in there.

What I don't understand (oh well I understand their free will to join the west rather than stay a russian puppets) what they thought would happen.
Did they think Russia wouldn't dare?

When the day comes Mexico shows interest in joining the CIS, let me know lol.

Why do you think Finland, Poland, Baltic States and other countries that live nearby dont want to play friends with Russia? The Kremlin are imperialistic psychopaths, large part of their population support that course and I pray that soon they're all brought down on their knees.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

they would everything in their power to not let that happens
Don't you agree? regardless of what Mexico wish or not.
Let's not kid ourselves
Usa would never allow another army in North America and it would be impossible to defend the borders

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, but they would still be in the wrong to do so and that's the point here. The United States is already not the only army in North America so I'm not sure what you mean by that, and why would be we incapable of defending the borders?

 

[Valerio.]

Let's not pretend it wouldn't happen one day without Western intervention any way.

Let's not pretend it isn't already like that.
China is in massive need of resources.
Like the Gas Russia is willingly to sell.
And they'll pay more than europheans would do.
Next I bet on Taiwan move for China.
But Taiwan is not Ukraina and the west+Japan will never let China get a hold of TSMC

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Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, but they would still be in the wrong to do so and that's the point here. The United States is already not the only army in North America so I'm not sure what you mean by that, and why would be we incapable of defending the borders?

Oh please. USA moved anywhere in the globe for much less. Be serious.
which other army is in North America? Canada or Mexico? but they're not a threat to USA.
Instead if chinese and russians send men and weapons that would be totally different