Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (48 Viewers)

[s4tch]

i really hope so, but it looks very grim atm, we have very little anti air capabilities left. Also moral took a hit yesterday when Biden said that EU blocks Swift ban for Russia. It was always unlikely, but learning that Germany, Italy, Hungary and Cyprus are still against it kind of made the whole thing even less fun.

personally i'm very sorry that the govt of my home country is part of this. russia should be isolated, and it won't be easy as orbán will continue to be his trojan horse in the eu. we have elections in 2 months, let's hope it changes some things. anyway, forza ukraine.

 

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[Kopanja]

Can't believe that ze Germans went from Hitler to Russian loving cocksuckers.

It was obvious in 2008, 2014 was a confirmation. So these days it’s just annoying to hear all these “concerns”.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Kadyrov biggest tracksuit wearing meme president I've ever seen. Fuck him.

 

[Dostoevsky]

personally i'm very sorry that the govt of my home country is part of this. russia should be isolated, and it won't be easy as orbán will continue to be his trojan horse in the eu. we have elections in 2 months, let's hope it changes some things. anyway, forza ukraine.

I have a question regarding your country and at this point off topic. Do you think elections in Hungary are rigged?

 

[Kopanja]

Kadyrov biggest tracksuit wearing meme president I've ever seen. Fuck him.

yep, they were here in 2014 and went home in zinc jackets

 

[IliveForJuve]

they will try to make Ukraine a puppet state with a pro russian government somehow. Sanctions will most likely be kept in place as long as the invasion is ongoing.

Yes, that's probably what will happen. But will the West look the other way and simply lift sanctions? It'll be interesting to see.

 

[j0ker]

Why do you think they love them?

One would think one the biggest economies in the world wouldn't rely on Russian gas that much or at least have an alternative if things go wrong.

As much as I dislike Trump he was right on what he said in the video posted above.

 

[DelTrezeguet]

Why on fukc Italy is against swift? I really hope that our team owners are doing some influential acts to do everything to do anything against that fucker putin.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Why do you think they love them?

We don't. Hopefully we move away from their gas now so heavy sanctions like Swift become a option further down the road. But that of course isn't gonna help the Ukraine anymore.

Surprisingly there is a fair share of russia loving people in east germany still. You'd think they should know better.

 

[Dostoevsky]

One would think one the biggest economies in the world wouldn't rely on Russian gas that much or at least have an alternative if things go wrong.

As much as I dislike Trump he was right on what he said in the video posted above.

Trump was right on that indeed. But I just think Germans wanted to move to gas and green environment and it happened to be Russia so they got them by the balls. But either way, even if it wasn't the case, I somehow doubt they would enter Ukraine in order to defend them.

@DAiDEViL dunno if I'm wrong, but did Germany sign some paper after the WWII so they aren't allowed to move troops?

 

[Strickland]

We don't. Hopefully we move away from their gas now so heavy sanctions like Swift become a option further down the road. But that of course isn't gonna help the Ukraine anymore.

Surprisingly there is a fair share of russia loving people in east germany still. You'd think they should know better.

Germany some 14 years ago also moved heavily against Ukraine and Georgia becoming NATO members in the future. You guys have been grossly underestimating Russia for years, yet even now when its apparent that Putin wasnt speaking metaphorically in 2007, you keep on lobbying for milder sanctions..

 

[Tomice]

Germany some 14 years ago also moved heavily against Ukraine and Georgia becoming NATO members in the future. You guys have been grossly underestimating Russia for years, yet even now when its apparent that Putin wasnt speaking metaphorically in 2007, you keep on lobbying for milder sanctions..

The Germans have been underestimating Russia since 1914

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Seen reports that putin addressed the Ukrainian military urging them to stage a coup and size control of the country. Also heard the Russia already lost around 2000 troops, if true then it's not smooth sailing as some thought.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Trump was right on that indeed. But I just think Germans wanted to move to gas and green environment and it happened to be Russia so they got them by the balls. But either way, even if it wasn't the case, I somehow doubt they would enter Ukraine in order to defend them.

@DAiDEViL dunno if I'm wrong, but did Germany sign some paper after the WWII so they aren't allowed to move troops?

Asking me questions here

Not that it would matter, we wouldn't send troops or anything anyway. Neither would any other neighbouring country. No one wants war with Russia.

But we could go harder on them sanctions wise if we weren't so reliant on their gas.

As much as I love Mutti Merkel, but that's on her unfortunately.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Asking me questions here

Not that it would matter, we wouldn't send troops or anything anyway. Neither would any other neighbouring country. No one wants war with Russia.

But we could go harder on them sanctions wise if we weren't so reliant on their gas.

As much as I love Mutti Merkel, but that's on her unfortunately.

I 100% agree with that.

maybe they couldn't find a better way to switch to green. Btw, even with harder sanctions I think Russians would've done it. They became too big and they can return the sanctions just as hard as they are big on resources & as a market.

 

[kao_ray]

They became too big and they can return the sanctions just as hard as they are big on resources & as a market.

Something that few people mention here is that the Western world is one financial system in which when you cut one player, everybody is hurt. Also the dollar as a reserve currency will lose a lot if a country like Russia is out of SWIFT banking system. Then Russia will choose another currency to trade with and this will hurt the dollar a lot.

 

[j0ker]

Trump was right on that indeed. But I just think Germans wanted to move to gas and green environment and it happened to be Russia so they got them by the balls. But either way, even if it wasn't the case, I somehow doubt they would enter Ukraine in order to defend them.

@DAiDEViL dunno if I'm wrong, but did Germany sign some paper after the WWII so they aren't allowed to move troops?

Forget troops, not even USA would do that.
But to not have courage to send more than helmets, or heavier sanctions now. That's pathetic.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Seems like ‘peace’ talks are off the table

 

[Tomice]

Something that few people mention here is that the Western world is one financial system in which when you cut one player, everybody is hurt. Also the dollar as a reserve currency will lose a lot if a country like Russia is out of SWIFT banking system. Then Russia will choose another currency to trade with and this will hurt the dollar a lot.

Not really. the damage to the American dollar will be somewhat offset by countries moving away from Russian natural gas as that will benefit the US Petro-dollar economy. Europe will pay a price though, that part is true.

 

[swag]

i really hope so, but it looks very grim atm, we have very little anti air capabilities left. Also moral took a hit yesterday when Biden said that EU blocks Swift ban for Russia. It was always unlikely, but learning that Germany, Italy, Hungary and Cyprus are still against it kind of made the whole thing even less fun.

I can only think long game on this. Russia is great at invading. But despite their limitless ability to suffer, they are pathetic at ruling. Ukraine will likely be a slowly ticking time bomb that eats away at Russian public support, national economics, military morale, and the mounting futility of trying to govern a foreign country.

I feel horrible about all the suffering and death that will require. But that's really the outcome I see for Russia in this. And it's in that long, ugly grind that things like sanctions become meaninful ... not for staving off invasions made by irrational, delusional militants.

 

[Bjerknes]

What a bunch of Russian rednecks.