Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (71 Viewers)

[swag]

Correct me if I'm wrong but this was about 3-4 years after the war had started and vets were coming back home giving live accounts of what it's like.

Well, that started as a police action proxy war on Communism, not so much a Blitzkrieg invasion on a neighboring nation. And communications were slower and there was far less video, etc. Now everything is kind of in your face immediately.

 

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[swag]

You lost me at 'effectively" bro. Nothing about Putin's regime has been effective except corruption schemes.

Corruption is often a means of getting things done when other systemic ways are broken or aren't as effective.

Not to condemn Russia to a permanent state of corruption. But so many people, timezones, interests, land, etc. stretches a lot of other systems pretty thin. Not to mention the national psychology.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well, that started as a police action proxy war on nazism, not so much a Blitzkrieg invasion on a neighboring nation.

And this what most russians believe now.

 

[Hust]

Plot twist: Trump will be president of new Russia

After he buys Greenland

 

[swag]

And this what most russians believe now.

It's definitely the party line. But the people demonstrating and willing to be arrested tells me not everyone is buying it.

The risk of sanctions, etc., helps tell an us vs them story about Russia for Putin as a means to garner domestic sympathy and support though.

 

[Strickland]

Cus it's much easier to win over a Russian whose life is not crippled by sanctions and a conflict blamed on the west, i don't know about you but if i am a Russian and anti war i would not protest at this point.

You're making it sound like there's only two options for me as that anti-war Russian, either love Putin or love the West. You don't have to be willing to get in bed with Biden&friends to acknowledge that what Putin is doing is damaging to everyone, especially Russia and Ukraine.

@Nzoric bought up this point that even though there's no legal and moral justification for Putins actions, he understands how Ukraine leaning towards the West created a national security threat for Russia. Continuing from the standpoint of a hypothetical Russian, I'd say the national security threat resulting from this war is way greater, for Russia this is a disaster every way you look at it.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

You're making it sound like there's only two options for me as that anti-war Russian, either love Putin or love the West. You don't have to be willing to get in bed with Biden&friends to acknowledge that what Putin is doing is damaging to everyone, especially Russia and Ukraine.

@Nzoric bought up this point that even though there's no legal and moral justification for Putins actions, he understands how Ukraine leaning towards the West created a national security threat for Russia. Continuing from the standpoint of a hypothetical Russian, I'd say the national security threat resulting from this war is way greater, for Russia this is a disaster every way you look at it.

It doesn't create shit, Estonia is in 150km from Russia and is a member NATO, turkey is a member of NATO, only in Putin's retarded KGB brain someone can be scared of NATO

 

[swag]

Chelsea apologists are neck-deep

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698891

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Chelsea apologists are neck-deep

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698891

Still won't condemn Putin's actions, fucking cunt

 

[GordoDeCentral]

You're making it sound like there's only two options for me as that anti-war Russian, either love Putin or love the West. You don't have to be willing to get in bed with Biden&friends to acknowledge that what Putin is doing is damaging to everyone, especially Russia and Ukraine.

@Nzoric bought up this point that even though there's no legal and moral justification for Putins actions, he understands how Ukraine leaning towards the West created a national security threat for Russia. Continuing from the standpoint of a hypothetical Russian, I'd say the national security threat resulting from this war is way greater, for Russia this is a disaster every way you look at it.

You're making it sound like there's only two options for me as that anti-war Russian, either love Putin or love the West. You don't have to be willing to get in bed with Biden&friends to acknowledge that what Putin is doing is damaging to everyone, especially Russia and Ukraine.

@Nzoric bought up this point that even though there's no legal and moral justification for Putins actions, he understands how Ukraine leaning towards the West created a national security threat for Russia. Continuing from the standpoint of a hypothetical Russian, I'd say the national security threat resulting from this war is way greater, for Russia this is a disaster every way you look at it.

I'm talking about how you would be perceived by your fellow Russians.

 

[U Picciriddu]

 

[s4tch]

good. let's hope uefa is next.

 

[DAiDEViL]

They are probably happy to not have to sponsor a 2nd division club anymore. Big hit for Gazprom.

 

[Tomice]

It doesn't create shit, Estonia is in 150km from Russia and is a member NATO, turkey is a member of NATO, only in Putin's retarded KGB brain someone can be scared of NATO

Putin, and Russia in general, are driven by fear, this has been true since WW2. Putin strong-man façade is just that, a façade.

He fears NATO expansion, simple as that. You can argue till end of times that he has no reason to, but reason is not what drives him. This is how, imo, all Russian actions should be looked at, with fear as the driving force. If you can accept that, then russia actions seem more logical, even "justified" (in their mind, before someone comes with the Putin apologist angle, again).

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They are probably happy to not have to sponsor a 2nd division club anymore. Big hit for Gazprom.

 

[Cerval]

I agree that having the Baltic countries as part of NATO can be seen as a provocation already. After the fall of the Berlin wall NATO was not supposed to expand as part of the agreement.

 

[BayernFan]

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I agree that having the Baltic countries as part of NATO can be seen as a provocation already. After the fall of the Berlin wall NATO was not supposed to expand as part of the agreement.

Russia annexing the Baltic countries was a way bigger provocation than the Baltic countries on their own free will joining NATO. If they didn't join NATO, their fate would've been the same as we see in Ukraine now.

Only difference is they would stand no chance against the Russian juggernaut.

 

[s4tch]

rip mriya, largest aircraft in the world

 

[Kopanja]

Lol
This is never about NATO. It never was. It was about restoring Russian Empire.
Putin is a big fan of Katerina the II Great Cunt. NATO doesn't allow him to restore it that's it.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Lol
This is never about NATO. It never was. It was about restoring Russian Empire.
Putin is a big fan of Katerina the II Great Cunt. NATO doesn't allow him to restore it that's it.

No, it's about punishing Ukrainians for leaving him, Putin doesn't care about empire, in his poor brain there is no Ukraine without Russia, he's an imbecile with nuclear weapons

 

[duranfj]

Current “peace talks” are most probably Russian bullshit to regroup. We will spend this time preparing as well.

Good news. Russia use same strategy all time everywhere for decades. I hate when it works according to their plan and people act surprise for the results: "Russia betrayed us", shocking