Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (109 Viewers)

[Mokku]

There are unwritten rules in war which include allowing civilians to leave and giving them safe passage. Bombing innocents who are mainly women and children as they try to during a ceasefire is beyond NATO vs. Russia vs. Ukraine. Its murder, not even casualties of war. Nobody can justify this.

 

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[Vlad]

All wrong

Putin negotiated not once but twice. He not only negotiated but signed agreements. They are called Minsk 1 and 2. Since their signing not a single obligation was fulfilled by Ukraine. Putin has never said he wants to restore Soviet Union. Even you shouldn't be that brainwashed since it is obvious that many ex USSR territories and countries are now in Nato and EU. Even in this conflict, it is completely false that he doesn't want to negotiate, they held 2 negotiations so far, with another one incoming.

His demands were never Ukraine giving up sovereignty, he specifically mentioned his 4 demands, none of which is occupation. It was always Nato fault, as Noam Chomsky said. Every living thing with a functional brain cell understood that putting Ukraine in Nato would mean deployment of offensive and nuclear weapons against Russia right on its border. They knowingly pursued this, moreover they supplied Ukraine with enormous amounts of offensive weapons since 2014 puppet governments. They contracted 11 biolabs sponsored by American DoD. They supported genocide of 14000 russians.
So what did you think the Russians would do? Wait and die?

Baltic countries are in NATO and they border with Russia... Troll...

 

[Dino_mk]

..... US had bullshit justification to go to those country, so does Russia here. It goes both ways

Thank you!

Finally someone who understands the world isn't black and white, good west - bad east, it is gray in all of its shades.

 

[Zeus]

There are unwritten rules in war which include allowing civilians to leave and giving them safe passage. Bombing innocents who are mainly women and children as they try to during a ceasefire is beyond NATO vs. Russia vs. Ukraine. Its murder, not even casualties of war. Nobody can justify this.

Well he sent his troops to help a war criminal in syria killing his own people so him killing innocent people isn't a new thing

 

[DAiDEViL]

Thank you!

Finally someone who understands the world isn't black and white, good west - bad east, it is gray in all of its shades.

Finally? Everyone is shitting on the US constantly. It's not like their shit goes unseen.

 

[Tomice]

Thank you!

Finally someone who understands the world isn't black and white, good west - bad east, it is gray in all of its shades.

Appreciate it but can't say I'm the only one here.

 

[Dino_mk]

Finally? Everyone is shitting on the US constantly. It's not like their shit goes unseen.

Can't say I'm the only one here.

I was called retard and moron multiple times on this thread for claiming that you can't believe 95% of media and their propaganda no matter where is coming from.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Finally? Everyone is shitting on the US constantly. It's not like their shit goes unseen.

I don't understand why people keep suggesting otherwise here, it's really stupid.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

America did nothing wrong with Ukraine, Europe did nothing wrong with Ukraine, it's just a lunatic madman and his friends who are punishing Ukrainian people for not wanting to be by their side, for wanting to join the EU, why you can't understand this simple thing

 

[JuveJay]

I was called retard and moron multiple times on this thread for claiming that you can't believe 95% of media and their propaganda no matter where is coming from.

I'm sure a few more times won't hurt.

 

[Tomice]

I was called retard and moron multiple times on this thread for claiming that you can't believe 95% of media and their propaganda no matter where is coming from.

In fairness there are levels to propaganda and media bias, it's not all equal. In the west you can choose your bias to some extant.

Also understand that some people here are just very emotionally invested so reactions might be a little overboard. Don't take it too bad. In the current context though the comparison is a bit misplaced.

 

[Nzoric]

Thank you!

Finally someone who understands the world isn't black and white, good west - bad east, it is gray in all of its shades.

Your mistake lies mostly in the justification.


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[Dostoevsky]

 

[Snobist]

There are plenty of differences, but main point is that USA didnt have the right and neither does Putin.

Now what Im interested in is are you aware that Putin also brought up Iraqi war in his speech on why NATO is horrible and Ukraine cant be allowed to Westernize.

After watching that speech in full I was astounded to find out that quite a few tuzzers who're not Putins apologists quote him almost word for word

I didnt see that speech nor heard about it. My point was in bigger scale. Attacking a sovreign country. The reason for doing that can be many. Someone brought the point that Saddam would have destabilized the region? Sorry what? I dont remember last time that region was stabilized with or without him. I am not by any means trying to justify Putin who is a piece of shit and i hope his kitchen chef poisons him. I was talking from morals if there are any. And yes @Post Ironic all wars have their own characteristics and reasons why happen. Though, they all have on thing in common, innocent people die.

 

[campionesidd]

Yes, I know

But that's precisely what America has been doing since it exists. "Bringing freedom and democracy" in countries million miles away, under false pretexts of national security. Only 12 years of the existence of USA had it not been in war.

Think about it.

Go fuck yourself. Or shove a portrait of Putin up your ass. As long as I’m concerned, you don’t exist.

 

[JuveE46]

The fucks this

 

[Dino_mk]

Your mistake lies mostly in the justification.


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Of what?
Nowhere in my posts I have justified Putins invasion of Ukraine. In contrary I think no one has a right to invade any country for bullshit reasons that exist only in their media.

 

[campionesidd]

I was called retard and moron multiple times on this thread for claiming that you can't believe 95% of media and their propaganda no matter where is coming from.

No, I called you a retard and moron multiple times because you are one.

 

[Elvin]

Thank you!

Finally someone who understands the world isn't black and white, good west - bad east, it is gray in all of its shades.

Ok for the millionth time: in this particular conflict there is a clear villain.

The past and the West is fuckin irrelevant!

 

[Lancelot]

Go fuck yourself. Or shove a portrait of Putin up your ass. As long as I’m concerned, you don’t exist.

Cmon man, you are so soft.

I am just stating the facts. Don`t take it personally