Rules re: insulting loaned/co-owned players (2 Viewers)

Should the forum rules protect loaned/co-owned players from insults?

  • Yes, they belong to Juve whether they currently play for us or not

  • No, if they're not part of our squad, they're not considered Juventus players.


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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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#83
When same BS line is repeated in every single day in every single page might be a give away? Especially when it derails threads/topics and takes away focus from it. Can call it spam, trolling or basic derailing, basic is the same, which is leaving little room for the purpose of said thread to happen, actually discussing anything related to player/club/topic its about (wether you are negative or positive in views doesnt matter, but the level of wtf you are posting surely does).

This forums activity level is alot offtopic silliness as it is in footie threads, to add this on daily basis on top of that simply makes it way worse, and should be obvious to notice. Colour me weird, but at the end of it, we are here because this is a football forum, dont have to be serious about it, but hampering the space to discuss it pretty much makes it moot. It gets too much when after awhile you find yourself stop checking up threads on certain players you are interested in, because you KNOW nothing of value is being said/discussed in that players thread, but instead is taken up with childish BS.

Used to not check Marchisio thread for period due to that, Del Piero thread for large periods (though there they atleast "discussed" the useless BS), and today the obvious thread that was closed, AND the IMMENSELY retarded shit I browsed through in the Verratti thread just to see if there is any update on his possible TRANSFER.


To a point cant fault the mods for these uncheckered silliness and moreso the parties involved, until as I said in previous post, it becomes just flat out spamming a thread, like it has clearly been.

P.S As I said, it gotten to the point the insanely inane Cronios posts are the ones worth reading in most of these threads :D
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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#84
That is pretty insane. :D

But the problem still is how can you tell one poster's spam from another's not-spam if they are essentially posting the same thing? Are mods going to have to maintain and consult a list so that the first person who posts "fuck giovinco" doesn't get an infraction but everyone afterwards does because it's then considered "spam"?

That would be very difficult to enforce without everyone feeling it is incredibly unfair.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
Moderator
Oct 11, 2005
75,658
#85
More than two insults on a player from any individual is spam? More than two off-topic posts in a football thread is spam?

It isn't that difficult. Create some rule and enforce it.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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#86
More than two insults on a player from any individual is spam? More than two off-topic posts in a football thread is spam?

It isn't that difficult. Create some rule and enforce it.
Ironically, as this may sound like getting Al Capone on tax evasion, but all the "fuck giovinco" posts could fall under double posting infractions. :D
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,484
#87
Feels like you are playing devils advocate a bit :D If it was that complicated, I would get it, but its really not, when you HAVE to close a thread, just so you can be able to post actual information/articles about the player without the thread being spammed for dozens of pages on end with the same childish IRRELEVANT nonsense, then yes its past the point about wether one should give infraction to first or not (delete/publically warn its gonna get moderated is good start too).

You (general you, mods) skipped all those measures and went with the last (easy cop-out) resort of closing the thread temporarily, which says the issue is not about wether or not if it was spammed, but it was to the point you (again general you) HAD to close it. That says something IMO.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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#88
Ironically, as this may sound like getting Al Capone on tax evasion, but all the "fuck giovinco" posts could fall under double posting infractions. :D
Then make a Giovinco clause and simply consider the post to be information blocking in general, specifically a version of off topic spam, therefore punishable the same as insult spam in a Juventus player thread.
 
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  • Thread Starter #89
    Ok, how about this: 2 point infraction for brainless insult posts which intentionally add nothing to the discussion.
     
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    gray

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    OR a dedicated, unmoderated "Brainless Insult Thread" where this kind of thing is allowed, and anything outside of that thread receives infractions.
     

    Enron

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    Ok, how about this: 2 point infraction for brainless insult posts which intentionally add nothing to the discussion.
    How about 2 brainless insult posts in recent succession? We'll call it the Swag exception.

    ---------- Post added 18.05.2012 at 00:15 ----------

    OR a dedicated, unmoderated "Brainless Insult Thread" where this kind of thing is allowed, and anything outside of that thread receives infractions.
    Or how about just make a rule specific to football threads and leave it to moderator discretion in non-football threads?
     
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    How about 2 brainless insult posts in recent succession? We'll call it the Swag exception.
    But then you'd have the trolls just waiting until someone until someone posts something on-topic so they can say it again. Where there are rules, there will always be people who abuse loopholes.

    Or how about just make a rule specific to football threads and leave it to moderator discretion in non-football threads?
    Yep, but there needs to be consistency. We can't have some mods giving infractions for insulting players and others not.

    We'll come to a decision soon.
     

    Hust

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    May 29, 2005
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    Stop gang raping me...
    Am I too late?

    ---------- Post added 17.05.2012 at 22:30 ----------

    Feels like you are playing devils advocate a bit :D If it was that complicated, I would get it, but its really not, when you HAVE to close a thread, just so you can be able to post actual information/articles about the player without the thread being spammed for dozens of pages on end with the same childish IRRELEVANT nonsense, then yes its past the point about wether one should give infraction to first or not (delete/publically warn its gonna get moderated is good start too).

    You (general you, mods) skipped all those measures and went with the last (easy cop-out) resort of closing the thread temporarily, which says the issue is not about wether or not if it was spammed, but it was to the point you (again general you) HAD to close it. That says something IMO.
    This.

    ---------- Post added 17.05.2012 at 22:31 ----------

    OR a dedicated, unmoderated "Brainless Insult Thread" where this kind of thing is allowed, and anything outside of that thread receives infractions.
    Yes. Let them go talk to themselves.
     

    Enron

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    But then you'd have the trolls just waiting until someone until someone posts something on-topic so they can say it again. Where there are rules, there will always be people who abuse loopholes.
    Or how about just make a rule specific to football threads and leave it to moderator discretion in non-football threads?
    Yep, but there needs to be consistency. We can't have some mods giving infractions for insulting players and others not

    We'll come to a decision soon.
    1) I didn't mean successive in the thread, I meant from the individual poster.

    2) Just be consistent. It doesn't really matter what the exact rule is.
     

    JCK

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    May 11, 2004
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    Who let the seriousness police out?

    Forcing serious posts for every post will never work on this forum.
     
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    Who let the seriousness police out?

    Forcing serious posts for every post will never work on this forum.
    It's not about forcing seriousness in every post, but preventing pages upon pages of the garbage we've seen in the Giovinco thread.
     
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