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Bar the Madrid game I remember them pretty much riding the lucky horse
But i wasnt trying to dimish that, i was responding to berlusci with a sarcastic post because he is a retard.
Andy? Im biast? Um yeah sure. Ive said from the start I believe the italian league to be the strongest, i simple can only take so much bullshit posts from you. And yes you have made ALOT of them. When it comes to English players or EPL you are completely biast. Ive seen you post some of the most hypocritical stuff on here, infact im making you the leader :cheesy: Dont make me go look for examples.
Why would I be completely biased River? Would it be because I hate England's guts? Why would I hate England or English players? Do I hate the EPL because I've become accustomed to watching and enjoying it every weekend? Where does this bias you speak of originate from? I base my opinions on what I see watching soccer, and looking at the history of it. I given you my views so many times River, saying that I do think players such as Beckham, Owen, and Gerrard are overrated. This OPINION comes from what I've seen them do on the pitch, not what some bloke tells me online or on TV. Can't you realize that its an opinion, and that the facts I do state are certainly facts? And for the record you have not always said that the Serie A is the strongest. In fact you said that the EPL is now the strongest, along with that "days gone by" theory.
Actually if your going to quote me, quote me right. I said the italian dominance are 'days gone by'. And so they are. You gave the impression that Arsenal, MU and Chelsea are not that much of a threat.
English sides have a tough time competing in europe? Maybe a tough time winning the competitions but competing definately not. Look at your history books there.
And again your talking about years in the past. Im talking about now. Right now looking at the teams the English teams are easily right beside if not slightly ahead of the Italians. And the only point i made was you and everyone else are foolish to dismiss that.
Arsenal and MUs time has passed? Dont talk out of your ass. Now your acting like this is some grand design. And talking about times passing, how could you say Arsenals time has passed and think Juves hasnt? You see there you go again, absolute hypocrite.
Youve turned this into an EPL v Serie A debate. Thats not the debate i was making. I was only making the point that english teams have closed the gap you think still exists, you think an italian team are better just because they are italian. Writing off English teams is quite foolish. But do it if you will.
Where have I dismissed that the EPL has closed the gap??? I have never said that they haven't caught up in some respect, don't know where you got that from. But Italy is still ahead IMO.
Yes, Man United's chance has passed. Look at the core of players they have, including Keane, Scholes, and Giggs, who are far from their "primes". Okay, maybe a bit of a stretch but still. Like I've said before, what makes you think that Arsenal will achieve better this season? Have they made any sigings that change the whole complection of the team? Have the other teams in Europe gotten weaker? No, and no, most all have gotten stronger. So in a way, Arsenal's best chance of European glory was last season. But yeah, Arsenal has a thing with history and kept it without making the Semifinals, again.
Maybe I haven't said this clearly or something, but I do agree with you that English sides have improved lately. Most of it is because of what Chelsea has done in the past year, building a truely competitive side that has the best chance out of all English teams to do something in Europe. But like I said before, if history deams importance to the future, it will be 18, not 17 years.
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You think we have very biased opinions, well so do you. You say "well times have changed" when it comes to the dominance of the Serie A, well what have English teams done in Europe in the past 17 years that is worth remembering? You say times have changed for the likes of Arsenal. Well Arsenal had a great chance last season, so did Chelsea. What did Arsenal do? Not make it past the Final 8, again. Its like a broken record when it comes to Arsenal. I go by the history books River, and history tells me that English sides really have a tough time competing in Europe. Has my opinion changed? Hell no. Could it change? Yes, of course, but that would mean an English side would have to win the Champions League, and make it 2 wins in 17 years. I write off Arsenal this year because its basically the same team as last year. How would they better last season's showing? Frankly, their time has passed IMO. Same with Manchester United.
