Rooney??? (6 Viewers)

River · Aug 30, 2004

Like i said. Days gone by. Can you tell me why up until 2 seasons ago Italian teams virtually fell off the european stage? And thats not even what i was talking about. But since we're on european here. You dont think ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal can match any three Italian teams right now?

Max · Aug 30, 2004

It is unfair to say that there has only been one English team in the Champions' League Final in the past seventeen years. There was a ban set by UEFA that didn't allow English teams to compete in European competition because of the Heysel Disaster if I'm not mistaken.

Bjerknes · Aug 30, 2004

They could match them right now, simply because the Italian season hasn't started yet. Falling off the European stage for 4 years is one thing, falling off for 16 years is another. You seem like you're not catching my point here River.

Max, please elaborate on this ban.

River · Aug 30, 2004

No Andy your not catching my point. Explain to me what 'days gone by means' ?

flieeeekke · Aug 30, 2004

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

Because as much as I hate Juve .. Juve management has limits to what "player" it will buy in terms of style and talent. It will not buy any piece of charcoal that can put the old "onion bag" in the net just for the sake of scoring goals and winning games. Some teams have integrity and want to maintain a certain tradition..especially Italian teams.
Rooney is nothing more than a young Vieri with far less class and even less vision and talent...how about playing in Serie A ROONEY??!!! See how many goals you DON'T SCORE.
This is a player that suits English football..an athelete with a powerful kick and a fast sprint with rugby style running...get through at all costs and score with no class and finesse.
NO THANKS...the Gianni Rivera's, Roberto Baggio's and Paolo Maldini's can stay in Italy and the butchers like Rooney and Gascoigne can stay in England.

pardon? vieri's got class? thats new..

Bjerknes · Aug 30, 2004

It means that it won't be happening anymore, right? :rolleyes:

River · Aug 30, 2004

no dummy

The years gone by i was referring to were the 'Italian teams rule' years. They are gone. Italian teams are not even if not sometimes behind the others. I think this year England perhaps the strongest representation.

Bjerknes · Aug 30, 2004

They might have the best rep on paper, but football isn't played on paper River.

Italian teams can't be counted out though. Its not like they're a bunch of pushovers. Arsenal has shown they can't get the job done in Europe, and I'll think they'll prove myself right again this season. Man U has a good sqaud, but if they face a team like Real Madrid or Milan, kiss their hopes goodbye. And now there's Chelsea. If they can get their act together, they might be one of the top four like last year. But its hard to tell with English teams. If history is nice to me and wins out, the number will be 18, not 17 River.

Max · Aug 30, 2004

Andy, the ban that prevented the English from competing in European Club Championships (Champions' League, UEFA Cup, Cup Winners' Cup) lasted for five years (1985-86 season to the 1990-91 season), and a year extra for Liverpool.

Henry · Aug 30, 2004

interesting discussion! I don't think that there is any doubt that overall, especially in the US, the EPL is overated, mainly because of it's high exposure and the language. that said, there is a strong tendency in this forum to diss the EPL, and it often taken too far. I mean, how many people here would fancy our chances against Arsenal?? and look at our record against manure!! it's bloody embarassing!! I really don't think that the leagues can be truly compared, and I'll bet that if there was a good way to compare them, you'd find that they are all pretty close. Sure, right now in the EPL it is basically Manu, Arsenal, Chelsea, and then all the rest (hopefully this is changing!) but look at the CL last year-how many Italian teams made the quarterfinals? hell, the final was Porto and Monaco!! that shows how unreliable an indicator the CL is. Afterall, two years ago there where three Italian teams in the semis! so two years ago Series A was the best, and then last year-who in their right mind would would take the CL finals as an indicator of relative league strength! so lets just leave this bloody argument alone-if all you want is to diss the EPL, then bugger off!

BTW, nice to see you again Incubo!

Azzurri7 · Aug 31, 2004

Nah not rooney ! P.s he'll be man utd player soon !

Henry · Aug 31, 2004

sure seems like it...I'll bet he'd much rather go to manu than Newcastle

Freddy · Aug 31, 2004

Why doesn't Liverpool make a bid on him !!!!

I guess he would prefer joining Liverpool than joining the Magpies

IncuboRossonero · Sep 1, 2004

Next to Rooney even Montero has class. Alone you can make the arguement that Vieri is NOT class...next to Rooney he looks like IL DIVINO CODINO.

Jeannette · Sep 1, 2004

Well, sad but true, next to rooney everyone looks like that.

Seven · Sep 1, 2004

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++

Because as much as I hate Juve .. Juve management has limits to what "player" it will buy in terms of style and talent. It will not buy any piece of charcoal that can put the old "onion bag" in the net just for the sake of scoring goals and winning games. Some teams have integrity and want to maintain a certain tradition..especially Italian teams.
Rooney is nothing more than a young Vieri with far less class and even less vision and talent...how about playing in Serie A ROONEY??!!! See how many goals you DON'T SCORE.
This is a player that suits English football..an athelete with a powerful kick and a fast sprint with rugby style running...get through at all costs and score with no class and finesse.
NO THANKS...the Gianni Rivera's, Roberto Baggio's and Paolo Maldini's can stay in Italy and the butchers like Rooney and Gascoigne can stay in England.

You're right 100%. But then again isn't that a weakness of the Italian sides as well?

River · Sep 1, 2004

Whats so different about Vieri and Rooney? They are similar players. They are both idiots. Vieri is burnt out, Rooney is on top form.

Thats just a totally typical Italian post you made there. Vieri is always better because hes Italian?

What has Rooney done thats so bad (except bang some hookers

). Vieri refuses to celebrate when it dosent suit him, acts like a total fuckbrains to the media and has had his fair share of foul play. Rooney has what? Pushed Thuram and did a hard challenge of Ronaldo

Or wait maybe your judging on looks now or something :rolleyes:

Kevin · Sep 1, 2004

Vieri and Rooney are totally different players (do you see Vieri running at defenders much? do you see Vieri scoring 60% of his goals from outside the penalty area with blazing shots? do you see Vieri drop deep much and take his play from midfield, linking the midfield up with the attack? ridiculous to compare them, totally different type of strikers), Rooney is more of a complete footballer and Henry has stated his admiration for the player: also said that he plays similar to himself. After the French game he was on French tv and aside of the usual comments he also added about Rooney: "Unbelievable, what a player. What a player."

I think some of the ppl here don't have a clue what they're on about, haven't seen him play all that much and are just eager to thrash a young ENGLISH talent. The hype around him makes them angry and from the fact that he's stocky and looks rough they deduct that he's a run of the mill old fashioned english striker who can only jump and head a ball (that's what some of the posts on this topic want you to believe that is!). Wrong.

http://ihabx7.gatts.net/WayneRooney.mpg

http://ihabx7.gatts.net/RooneyCompilation.asf

http://fazkhan.lunarpages.com/clips/Rooney_Tribute.wmv

River · Sep 1, 2004

++ [ originally posted by Kevin ] ++
Vieri and Rooney are totally different players (do you see Vieri running at defenders much? do you see Vieri scoring 60% of his goals from outside the penalty area with blazing shots? do you see Vieri drop deep much and take his play from midfield, linking the midfield up with the attack? ridiculous to compare them, totally different type of strikers), Rooney is more of a complete footballer and Henry has stated his admiration for the player: also said that he plays similar to himself. After the French game he was on French tv and aside of the usual comments he also added about Rooney: "Unbelievable, what a player. What a player."

I think some of the ppl here don't have a clue what they're on about, haven't seen him play all that much and are just eager to thrash a young ENGLISH talent. The hype around him makes them angry and from the fact that he's stocky and looks rough they deduct that he's a run of the mill old fashioned english striker who can only jump and head a ball (that's what some of the posts on this topic want you to believe that is!). Wrong.

http://ihabx7.gatts.net/WayneRooney.mpg

http://ihabx7.gatts.net/RooneyCompilation.asf

http://fazkhan.lunarpages.com/clips/Rooney_Tribute.wmv

Actually yeah I have seen Vieri of old do those things.

But that wasnt the purpose of the post, i was trying to understand how Incubo decided Vieri has more class.

River · Sep 1, 2004

I think some of the ppl here don't have a clue what they're on about, haven't seen him play all that much and are just eager to thrash a young ENGLISH talent. The hype around him makes them angry and from the fact that he's stocky and looks rough they deduct that he's a run of the mill old fashioned english striker who can only jump and head a ball (that's what some of the posts on this topic want you to believe that is!). Wrong.

http://ihabx7.gatts.net/WayneRooney.mpg

http://ihabx7.gatts.net/RooneyCompilation.asf

http://fazkhan.lunarpages.com/clips/Rooney_Tribute.wmv

And yeah totally. It happens all the time here and not just with young players. Ive said it countless times.

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