Ronaldinho (12 Viewers)

[Ventus]

Again, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I don't share them. No doubt Messi is a great player, but greatest of all time? I don't think so, and I think many will agree with me. To each his own I guess.

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In the Finals, he usually disappears. He plays well against the likes of Iran and Nigeria, but once they come up against a decent or semi-organized side, he looks lost. Argentina also possess an abundance of attacking talent, and a more than competent midfield, so why does he consistently fail to perform for his country?

This is why I reckon Maradonna is better than him. Maradonna did it with an ok Argentina and Napoli. If Messi wins the world cup, then we can start considering him the best.

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Being the best is showing up in big games or when your team needs it. Stat padding is the cancer of football.

Do not mistaken winning points and winning trophies as scoring goals, although the two can be linked. You can win points and trophies depending on how good you are at your position; Cannavaro arguably won Italy the World Cup despite being a defender for example.

 

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[Cerval]

Do not mistaken winning points and winning trophies as scoring goals, although the two can be linked. You can win points and trophies depending on how good you are at your position; Cannavaro arguably won Italy the World Cup despite being a defender for example.

Agreed.

 

[Osman]

This is from 2005, when Ronaldinho won the Ballon D'Or and Messi just broke through from the youth acadamy.

http://www.90min.in/posts/5213717-r...kobe-bryant-that-messi-would-be-greatest-ever


Chances are that Ronaldinho was just being humble, or maybe he knew...

Everyone knew, ffs its obvious how special he was from the get go (Ronaldinho said that many times not just that time). First time I saw him for full 90 minutes was when as 17 year old in pre-season game, he embarrassed our insanely strong defence and midfield like they werent there (and they were defending good too, they started double and tripple teaming a youth kid when they saw how he was). Never has there been a predestino obvious natural freak like this at that time ,when you could just see how special he was from first ball touch, even if end product wasnt there at that age.




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Being the best is showing up in big games or when your team needs it. Stat padding is the cancer of football.

But Messi is as consistent as you can humanly get in club football in terms of showing up for big games. Can only think of handful of top games he was less then stellar in his 13 years career. Otherwise he ALLWAYS steps up when he is needed.

 

[Post Ironic]

Again, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I don't share them. No doubt Messi is a great player, but greatest of all time? I don't think so, and I think many will agree with me. To each his own I guess.

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In the Finals, he usually disappears. He plays well against the likes of Iran and Nigeria, but once they come up against a decent or semi-organized side, he looks lost. Argentina also possess an abundance of attacking talent, and a more than competent midfield, so why does he consistently fail to perform for his country?

It's just the idiocy of modern football fandom. Money and the structure of club football has led to the predominance of a few superteams at the very top. All one has to look at is the CL winners for the past 10 years to understand this, and the inability of any non-top 5 team to keep star players. Barcelona just had a 3 year run with prime Messi-Suarez-Neymar all playing together. They also ignore how the game has massively changed to favour attacking players, rules made to limit what defenders can do, not to mention the benefit of getting to play utter shit minnows all year that have garbage defenders.

Messi is one of the very greats of all time. That should be beyond dispute. As were Zidane, Maradona, Platini, Pele, etc. amongst others at other positions. The idiocy is found in claiming that one player from a given era is the best of all the top players from any era, and acting like this subjective opinion is undisputed fact. All these players were the best of their eras. No one knows how players would have performed in other eras given the differences in tactics, rules, training methods, sport science, and so on. But it's likely they all would be among the greats of every era given the same resources.

Although, Messi for example, wouldn't even have been a pro footballer in almost any other era because he never would have received the years of HGH injections he did at Barcelona so he could grow. His growth disorder meant he wouldn't have grown past about 4'7" according to the doctors at the time, and he would have never developed the musculature to be a pro-footballer.

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Barcelona still won that game.

Actually it ended 2-2 but Messi got a good assist for Villa's second goal. So much for "completely marked out". But it was a gr8 performance from Nesta. I've only seen Chiello put that kinda performance vs Messi.

 

[zizinho]

Messis teammates finished 3rd in the balon dor voting 6 times, 2nd once and 1st once. CRonaldo never played with another top 3 player in the world

 

[Monty]

Lol how both the Zidane and Ronaldinho threads have become messi vs ronaldo.

Ban them @Mark

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[zizinho]

Lol how both the Zidane and Ronaldinho threads have become messi vs ronaldo.

Ban them @Mark

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Should be Zidane vs Dinho, whos got more magic?

 

[Bianconero81]

Should be Zidane vs Dinho, whos got more magic?

Zidane and Baggio are my favorite players of all time, but Dinho had more magic. Zidane was very elegant on the ball, a true artist, like a painter who makes the art of precision look beautiful, but Dinho was pure magic.

 

[Alin]

To me there is only one G.O.A.T and his name is Alessandro Del Piero.

 

[Ventus]

On a more humorous note, it was Allegri that sent him back to Brazil.

 

[Elvin]

To me there is only one G.O.A.T and his name is Alessandro Del Piero.

If not for that damn ALC injury back then. Luck plays too much role in football.

 

[ALC]

If not for that damn ALC injury back then. Luck plays too much role in football.

 

[Mark]

Lol how both the Zidane and Ronaldinho threads have become messi vs ronaldo.

Ban them @Mark

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[Maddy]

Comparing players of different generations. Pointless.