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You are a typical case of oxygen deprived commenting from chocking too long on his cock.
Messi has perfect technical and physical abilities. But he doesnt have the brilliance to do something no one else saw. Like Players such as Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo9 did, against much, MUCH superior opponents.
Its honestly sad you either have the memory of a fish, or never saw them in action.
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Is that considered goat ? fucking lol
these modern kids
Messi has perfect technical and physical abilities. But he doesnt have the brilliance to do something no one else saw. Like Players such as Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo9 did, against much, MUCH superior opponents.
Its honestly sad you either have the memory of a fish, or never saw them in action.
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Love how you completely ignore Messi's goat level passing ability
these modern kids
lol, just admit it hurts. The guy is the most complete footballer ever. If he wins the world cup this year, this discussion is over for good. The Goat, without a doubt.
Anyways, he probably wont do, and people will still use the world cup argument as they always have to undermine him. Haters gonna hate
Anyways, he probably wont do, and people will still use the world cup argument as they always have to undermine him. Haters gonna hate
Messi was the GOAT in the defensively and organisatorally weakest era of modern football. I loved the coppa amerika where actual football was played, and he still looked great, but not as special
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Messi was marked out of the game by a 37 year old Nesta.
Nesta, and a superior defender like Maldini or Cannavaro , where torn to bits by Ronaldo9 and called him the superior player without hesitating.
Messi is the most consistant "special" player with unrealistic longetivity. Normal special players had much shorter primes. Ableit, the era had alot to do with it aswel
Also. Messi never beat big opponents when Barcelona wasent the superior team. Think about that one for a moment
It's retarded to say Messi can't do the impossible, he has defied belief his entire career. It's extra funny Zach who hates on players for being flair and fancy, is talking shit on Messi for not being fancy enough haha.
Messi has been the most impossible to stop from all those players. He is the player since Maradona who could regurarly take the ball from his half and dribble ALL opponents. If that's not brilliant enough then what is? Not to mention goat level scoring, creating and footie IQ.
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Messi has been the most impossible to stop from all those players. He is the player since Maradona who could regurarly take the ball from his half and dribble ALL opponents. If that's not brilliant enough then what is? Not to mention goat level scoring, creating and footie IQ.
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I loved watching Ronaldo but that's BS argument, I seen him be stopped by defenders more then Messi. One Nesta game where Milan lost anyways does not diminish a career. Especially since Nesta is best pure defender ever.
Messis Barca beat everyone in front of them with him being by far the best player. It makes no sense to hold it against him for being the best vs whoever he faced with Barca. Same Ronaldo you mentionned was a almost non factor for all his clubs in CL.
Zizou was our best player and we had the strongest CL team when he was with us and he still didn't show up for us then. But I don't see you holding that against him.
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Messis Barca beat everyone in front of them with him being by far the best player. It makes no sense to hold it against him for being the best vs whoever he faced with Barca. Same Ronaldo you mentionned was a almost non factor for all his clubs in CL.
Zizou was our best player and we had the strongest CL team when he was with us and he still didn't show up for us then. But I don't see you holding that against him.
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I'll start by protesting about calling Nesta the best pure defender, considering at the same time there was also Maldini and Cannavaro. And the end of Baresi and Costacuerta.
He was more modern as Baresi. Maldini was tactically, zonally and in therms of fending off, equal. Costacuerta around that level but less, Cannavaro was at least equal in stopping and beating dribbleshits in duels.
In their primes, they all got turned inside out by Ronaldo. When a duel wasnt an automatic yellow card.
Only old aged Nesta and Maldini where around when Messi was playing at his top level. They were the back of a very shitty milan team. Messi was marked out of the game
When claiming to Messi's greatness, you cant forget that the last actually great defender who was old of age, completely took him out of the game.
And watch the previous page regarding Zizou. Zizou was a big game NT player. And inconsistant big game player at club level. He could play the greatest game of the decade against Man Utd away from home, and then fall asleep in the return.
He did improve on that....after he went away...
He was more modern as Baresi. Maldini was tactically, zonally and in therms of fending off, equal. Costacuerta around that level but less, Cannavaro was at least equal in stopping and beating dribbleshits in duels.
In their primes, they all got turned inside out by Ronaldo. When a duel wasnt an automatic yellow card.
Only old aged Nesta and Maldini where around when Messi was playing at his top level. They were the back of a very shitty milan team. Messi was marked out of the game
When claiming to Messi's greatness, you cant forget that the last actually great defender who was old of age, completely took him out of the game.
And watch the previous page regarding Zizou. Zizou was a big game NT player. And inconsistant big game player at club level. He could play the greatest game of the decade against Man Utd away from home, and then fall asleep in the return.
He did improve on that....after he went away...
On one hand you're admitting to Zizou being inconsistent, on the other one you're basing all your argument on 2 games where Messi was stopped by a defender from 90ties generation. Ever stop to think Messi just had a bad game there not that he wasn't able to get past Nesta because he's an inferior player? I don't like Messi much and I dislike these greatest ever discussions even more, but I think it's pretty obvious the guy is as good a dribbler as anyone and you're just running with your head in the wall with this argument. He's not as entertaining as DP or Ronaldinho for me, but that has nothing to do with the silly GOAT discussions
Defenses are not weaker today. The game has become much faster than it was in the 90s and it's more demanding than ever before for defenders.
Barcelona still won that game.
Zidane, Ronaldinho and Ronaldo9 all have been marked out of a match plenty of times.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/milan-legend-paolo-maldini-reveals-103404880.html
https://twitter.com/championsleague/status/606751034208329728?lang=en
You are wrong, Messi at the age of 24-25 was already named one of the best players of all time (if not the outright best) by many pundits and former players. Messi could have retired at the end of 2012 and he would have been behind only Maradona and Pele.
Just last year, Barca beat Madrid 3-2 in the Classico last season when Madrid was the superior team thanks to Messi.
Barcelona still won that game.
Zidane, Ronaldinho and Ronaldo9 all have been marked out of a match plenty of times.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/milan-legend-paolo-maldini-reveals-103404880.html
https://twitter.com/championsleague/status/606751034208329728?lang=en
You are wrong, Messi at the age of 24-25 was already named one of the best players of all time (if not the outright best) by many pundits and former players. Messi could have retired at the end of 2012 and he would have been behind only Maradona and Pele.
Just last year, Barca beat Madrid 3-2 in the Classico last season when Madrid was the superior team thanks to Messi.
This is from 2005, when Ronaldinho won the Ballon D'Or and Messi just broke through from the youth acadamy.
http://www.90min.in/posts/5213717-r...kobe-bryant-that-messi-would-be-greatest-ever
Chances are that Ronaldinho was just being humble, or maybe he knew...
http://www.90min.in/posts/5213717-r...kobe-bryant-that-messi-would-be-greatest-ever
Chances are that Ronaldinho was just being humble, or maybe he knew...
Again, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I don't share them. No doubt Messi is a great player, but greatest of all time? I don't think so, and I think many will agree with me. To each his own I guess.
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In the Finals, he usually disappears. He plays well against the likes of Iran and Nigeria, but once they come up against a decent or semi-organized side, he looks lost. Argentina also possess an abundance of attacking talent, and a more than competent midfield, so why does he consistently fail to perform for his country?
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In the Finals, he usually disappears. He plays well against the likes of Iran and Nigeria, but once they come up against a decent or semi-organized side, he looks lost. Argentina also possess an abundance of attacking talent, and a more than competent midfield, so why does he consistently fail to perform for his country?
The best players are the ones that bring the most points and trophies. Yes I miss the era where flair was a big thing, but it doesn't necessary mean that it makes you the best. If we took the approach of flair and being fancy, then the likes of Maldini and other defensive minded players, would be considered poor. This is why its best to judge depending on the points they win, effectiveness > natural talent.