So is there actually anything Van Persie-related or are we just going to fill this thread bickering with some City fan?
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We have gurus for that. 
I just check these transfer threads to read the latest rumours, interviews and what not, not unrelated bickering.
I just check these transfer threads to read the latest rumours, interviews and what not, not unrelated bickering.
people can't help themselves......and yes I put myself in that category. Just get annoyed with these over night success clubs who have no history.
I get you, but this isn't the first time now is it squire people can't help themselves......and yes I put myself in that category. Just get annoyed with these over night success clubs who have no history.
people can't help themselves......and yes I put myself in that category. Just get annoyed with these over night success clubs who have no history.
if you define "history" in the same way most under educacated forum jockeys do (not pointing any fingers), In simple silverware success. Then Out of the hundreds of clubs in English football history Man City are the 8th most successfull in "History"... Not bad imo. Does that mean the fans of the so called lower clubs than us have even less right to dream that one day their club might be one day able to have a team capable of competeing. What a very arrogant viewpoint to hold.
I on the other hand view a clubs "History" to mean more than how many shiney pots they have ammased. For instance drawing crowds of 35,000 in the 3rd tier of English football. But i guess it's an opinions thing.
Jesus, you've got your panties in a bunch. My bitter undertone?
I'm simply explaining the situation as it stands. I read a brief interview from his dad where he said that Robin would not play for City. Beyond the obvious loyalty issues, RvP has a strong desire to be 'the' guy (one of the reasons he wouldn't fit at Barca, or with the collection of individuals at Madrid), and obviously he wants titles. He understands that the Arsenal fans are really upset with the previous defections to Man City, and he wants to spare them any additional pain; there is no team an Arsenal fan dislikes more than City right now, for obvious reasons. As the Club's captain, don't you think it would make sense for him to take that into consideration, and avoid it if at all possible?
All of this is why it's my OPINION that Robin would only really be sold to City because of their financial clout. Yes, they will contend for all major honors, the club fits those criteria, but my feeling is that the only way the player is going to justify going there is if he can convince himself (and Man City can also convince Arsenal) that sending him to a direct rival for a relatively large transfer fee is in Arsenal's best interest (and it would have to be a very significant amount, based upon the message it otherwise sends to their already unhappy fan base - they are tired of feeling like City's feeder club). The added bonus for the player is that as reigning PFA player of the year he would also clearly make a butt load of cash at City.
Whether or not Arsenal will get what they desire in terms of a transfer fee is yet to be seen; it wouldn't totally shock me if they held out altogether, and let him leave on a free - or at least waited until January to see how the situation progresses. How his attitude is, if he suddenly has a change of heart (young team that finished strong, has reinforced some with likely more to come, and is getting a couple of their missing pieces back - stranger things have happened), if any other clubs join the negotiations, etc. They might decline simply out of principal, to demonstrate that they're not going to continue to capitulate, and allow players to totally dictate these types of situations. A healthy RvP will also boost their chances of CL qualification significantly - he could make the difference - and that extra revenue isn't too far away from what his rumored transfer fee currently is.
Your point that he may not choose Juventus doesn't bother me in the least. In fact that's what the vast majority of us have come to expect, man - apparently you're not too familiar with Juve's post-calciopoli market options? Not to mention the Scommessopoli debacle?
We've been fighting an uphill battle for quite some time, haven't signed a clear cut superstar in a LONG time - minus Pirlo of course, who was free.
Really my main point is that we may not have the 60-80M total right now to lay out on an injury prone 29 year old with next to zero resale value. It's an investment with considerable risk, and Juve can't afford to swallow mistakes on big transfers the way City has. I could see Beppe walking away for this reason. Money could easily be a deciding factor here, despite your claims otherwise.
Also: I don't give a flying fuck about your Sheik, his project, or what you seem to think is his heart of gold. Anytime someone comes in and throws around something like 1.25 BILLION fucking dollars over the course of 4 years or so, there is a great deal of EGO involved. As the club is not generating income for him, the truth remains that this endeavor is something of a hobby for the man - deal with it.
By this time if you honestly don't think that the ridiculous transfer fees, and the even fucking crazier wage packets that clubs like Man City throw around are affecting the nature of the market - for the worse, for the considerable worse of club football - I doubt I'll be able to change your mind.
I wish this snobbing about history would stop. We're just like old money establishment people looking down on everybody else. We began somewhere too, and we wouldn't have become the success that we are without the Agnelli's outspending everyone for the better half of the 20th century. A nice reminder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_football_transfer_record
I'd like to see Man City go big, as big as Chelski if not bigger. More competition on the pitch doesn't hurt it's good, but what most people strongly dislike is the 10mil contracts, the ridiculous transfer fees and the all of that crap. It really throws the market into shambles, an average player would cost 20-25mil, while a GOOD one can easily cost 30-40mil, which is absolutely ridiculous! All of that because a few clubs like to go above and beyond to acquire a player. Not once, but continually.
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