Roberto Baggio for our Coach ! (2 Viewers)

Mr. Gol

Mr. Gol

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Capello won't leave during this season anyway, so I think Deschamps will go somewhere else. Maybe if Capello wins the Champions League he will leave in the summer. If Deschamps didn't find a club by then it could still happen. Don't forget that Zebina said that Moggi promised him a French coach.
 

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baggio

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First of all, don't get how he was an overrated player, not like he was hyped up much. Secondly, 60+ international caps as captain, has to mean something, no?
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The fact that he had 60+ international caps as captain alone suggests he played more than he should have to be honest. That to me is overrated. Even at Juventus, I really didnt see where the talk of midfield general emanated because he was not much more than a hard working player. Perhaps the weakest link on the team in the early and mid 90s.


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But as a coach, he has still won nothing. So close in 2004 but not close enough. Be that as it may, how could you possibly advocate Vialli ahead of him? What has Vialli achieved?
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As a coach, I think Deschamps' incredible Champions League run was more an exception rather than a rule. And I'd attribute that more to Ludovic Giuly's inspired performances coupled with some great teamplay by Monaco. On the whole though, for the period of the time he spent with them, Deschamps never really impressed. Neither in ideation nor in strategy.

When I speak of Vialli as coach, I actually speak with regard to Juventus. I think he'll be a better fit with our ethos than Deschamps would quite frankly. Maybe its an Italian bias, but the fact that Vialli in his time was a more prolific player than Deschamps could also have something to do with it.

Not that a better player makes a better coach. In this case however, I think Vialli has a better understanding of the workings of the Serie A than Deschamps has of football in general.
 
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++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++
I think it is good for Deschamps to join Juventus as assistant coach in the meantime.
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That's not a bad idea. I think he'll make a great assistant, but nothing more. Not at Juve at least, i hope.
 
Martin

Martin

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++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++
As a coach, I think Deschamps' incredible Champions League run was more an exception rather than a rule. And I'd attribute that more to Ludovic Giuly's inspired performances coupled with some great teamplay by Monaco. On the whole though, for the period of the time he spent with them, Deschamps never really impressed. Neither in ideation nor in strategy.

When I speak of Vialli as coach, I actually speak with regard to Juventus. I think he'll be a better fit with our ethos than Deschamps would quite frankly. Maybe its an Italian bias, but the fact that Vialli in his time was a more prolific player than Deschamps could also have something to do with it.

Not that a better player makes a better coach. In this case however, I think Vialli has a better understanding of the workings of the Serie A than Deschamps has of football in general.
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So he understand Serie A better. What is it that makes him a good coach? He hasn't won anything so far.
 
Martin

Martin

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Promotion from Serie B with Napoli if I remember correctly. So basically you reject Deschamps because he hasn't been successful but you're willing to bet on Vialli because he knows the league? Different criteria for different coaches? :confused:
 
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Different criteria? I dont think so. One is not successful despite having had a sufficient amount of time in an environment that he would supposedly know better than any other. So it was in a sense, an optimal opportunity. On the other hand, Vialli's time at Chelsea was limited but in that time, I think he had understood how to break down the bigger opponents by playing within limitations and exploiting the opposition's weaknesses. My point is, Vialli is a better student of the game than Deschamps, and even moreso when it comes to the Italian league.
 
Martin

Martin

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About time you post something that makes sense ;):p

Though I have to say I see no reason to prefer Vialli. True, Deschamps didn't come through but I think he deserves credit for the magnificent CL run and the impressive turn around at Monaco after he took over. When Puel left, they were struggling around mid table. In Deschamps' first season, they did very badly, substantial changes in personell were made and the subsequent season saw Monaco in 2nd. Not to mention that Monaco the past 5 years has been a club in disorder, losing first league status at one point due to debt (overturned in the appeal), a new owner has come in and a lot of things have been far less than "ideal", as you call it.

And Vialli? As far as I'm concerned, his achievement for now is zero. Nothing significant with Chelsea nor Watford so to me he's a question mark.
 
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++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
About time you post something that makes sense ;):p
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What's the point? You cant tell the difference. :p :D


++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
Though I have to say I see no reason to prefer Vialli. True, Deschamps didn't come through but I think he deserves credit for the magnificent CL run and the impressive turn around at Monaco after he took over. When Puel left, they were struggling around mid table. In Deschamps' first season, they did very badly, substantial changes in personell were made and the subsequent season saw Monaco in 2nd. Not to mention that Monaco the past 5 years has been a club in disorder, losing first league status at one point due to debt (overturned in the appeal), a new owner has come in and a lot of things have been far less than "ideal", as you call it.
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As consistent as he was, Deschamps did not win anything in his time with Monaco. Lyon's Le Gyen was imo, arguably a better coach, and thats just keeping it within the Ligue. Yes, it is true Monaco were in disarray when he came and he managed to string together a few decent seasons. You'd agree if I said that he had some half decent players in his line up to help him do so. Now that he is quitting, isnt he sort of leaving them as precariously placed as when he joint them? Agian I'll say, its not so much about the trophies, as it is his overall performance. Personally, I think if Deschamps cant win a trophy in his home league, he cant win one anywhere.



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And Vialli? As far as I'm concerned, his achievement for now is zero. Nothing significant with Chelsea nor Watford so to me he's a question mark.
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No doubt about it. Vialli is an unknown quantity. Having said that though, he had mustered up some impressive wins against sides like Manchester United in the EPL and Barcelona in Europe, both overwhelming victories at times, when his side was not even equipped half as well as they are today. It proves that he does have some potential. He got Chelsea 5th place, with a far less impressive roster than what Didier had during his reign at Monaco. Not a fair comparison, you may say. And I'd even agree. Then again, Ill say that if Juventus are looking out to start afresh after Capello is done, I'd much rather give Vialli's unknown a shot over Deschamps proven, average ability.
 
Desmond

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In any case, I don't think Moggi has more reason to hire Deschamps now than the season when Monaco got to the CL final.He's a very unlikely candidate TBH.
 
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No Deschamps, no Vialli, no Baggio. At the end of Capello, lets bring Lippi back....
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In a perfect world.



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In any case, I don't think Moggi has more reason to hire Deschamps now than the season when Monaco got to the CL final.He's a very unlikely candidate TBH.
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Yeah, lets hope so.
 
lestat_1987

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Italian legend Roberto Baggio says he is open to Inter Milan patron Massimo Moratti's invitation to join their coaching staff.
"I know that Moratti has declared the doors to Inter are always open," said Baggio. "It is interesting, but in these days I will consider everything with calm and see what can be done."

Baggio also revealed: "It would appeal to me to play again. But the offer must be the right one. I have had many offers."
 
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