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Villareal has a population of less than 25,000 inhabitants and Roman Riquelme almost single-handedly put them on the map and they are now a household name because of his achievements.
He and Messi are Argentina's best players and they have not done too badly in the internationa stage have they?
He destroyed Real madrid in the world club championship and 2 weeks ago, 2 fantastic freekicks put paid to Chile
Lets compare that to Tiago, a player that struggled to get into chelsea's B midfield with the likes of Jarosik in the squad
Went to a second rate league where he was playing for far and away the best team and got into their team.
He is not one of Portugal's shining lights with Deco, ronaldo, Carvalho, Maniche way ahead of him
He has struggled to bypass a competion in Juventus that is not even that good as he cannot displace average individual players like Nocerino, Almiron(is he anywhere near the Argentine squad?) and Zanetti.
Posters like Freddie Wesley is so biased towards the French league is untrue, once you are either French or have played in that league , to him you are world class.
Get over it, its not a good league, Rangers and Celtic would not struggle in the French league but everyone will tell you the Scottish league is trash.
As far as I am concerened they are so far apart in terms of ability and influence it is untrue.
Tiago has been treated unfairly by Ranieri but if he was as good as Andy will let you believe he is then he should be ahead of ordinary players we have here.
Yes there is a personality clash between the 2 of them but there is an element of Ranieiri thinking the guy is not good enough and I have seen enough times to be of the sentiment.
At least Riquelme has proved on club and international level he is of the highest pedigree, what competition has Tiago proved anything?
If this was a Riquelme vs Deco debate, I would have understood it.
Tiago is more on the level of Cambiasso but lower, not Riquelme
He and Messi are Argentina's best players and they have not done too badly in the internationa stage have they?
He destroyed Real madrid in the world club championship and 2 weeks ago, 2 fantastic freekicks put paid to Chile
Lets compare that to Tiago, a player that struggled to get into chelsea's B midfield with the likes of Jarosik in the squad
Went to a second rate league where he was playing for far and away the best team and got into their team.
He is not one of Portugal's shining lights with Deco, ronaldo, Carvalho, Maniche way ahead of him
He has struggled to bypass a competion in Juventus that is not even that good as he cannot displace average individual players like Nocerino, Almiron(is he anywhere near the Argentine squad?) and Zanetti.
Posters like Freddie Wesley is so biased towards the French league is untrue, once you are either French or have played in that league , to him you are world class.
Get over it, its not a good league, Rangers and Celtic would not struggle in the French league but everyone will tell you the Scottish league is trash.
As far as I am concerened they are so far apart in terms of ability and influence it is untrue.
Tiago has been treated unfairly by Ranieri but if he was as good as Andy will let you believe he is then he should be ahead of ordinary players we have here.
Yes there is a personality clash between the 2 of them but there is an element of Ranieiri thinking the guy is not good enough and I have seen enough times to be of the sentiment.
At least Riquelme has proved on club and international level he is of the highest pedigree, what competition has Tiago proved anything?
If this was a Riquelme vs Deco debate, I would have understood it.
Tiago is more on the level of Cambiasso but lower, not Riquelme
I'm not really a huge fan of either, but at least with Riquelme, I can envision a spot for him at LWM, switching off with Nedved, or with Nedved taking a different spot in field as either one of the three forwards in the trident, or in a CM position with Nocerino and/or Zanetti depending on the strategy and formation, since Nedved is a much more versatile player.
I just have a hard time seeing where Tiago fits in the Ranieri style. He's not a good winger, and he lacks the strength and tenacity to be a first choice CM. Almiron is a lot grittier than Tiago and even he seems out of place. Ranieri seems to want complete midfielders in the centre, and if that's not available, he opts for defensive specialists over the playmakers, like Capello did.
I just have a hard time seeing where Tiago fits in the Ranieri style. He's not a good winger, and he lacks the strength and tenacity to be a first choice CM. Almiron is a lot grittier than Tiago and even he seems out of place. Ranieri seems to want complete midfielders in the centre, and if that's not available, he opts for defensive specialists over the playmakers, like Capello did.
With Riquelme, I know I would always play 2 defensive mids in the middle to cover for him, and ideally, one of my best defenders behind him. Like Ze Tahir said, defensive play is a big worry, and that's why Tiago isn't getting to play. Wingers are allowed more liberties typically.
I would opt for something like this when everyone is healthy:
I would opt for something like this when everyone is healthy:
Del Piero-Trezeguet
Riquelme-Zanetti-Nocerino-Camoranesi
Chiellini-Andrade/new CB-Legrottaglie-Grygera
Buffon
Riquelme-Zanetti-Nocerino-Camoranesi
Chiellini-Andrade/new CB-Legrottaglie-Grygera
Buffon
He has experience playing the flanks though, and with enough defensive specialists covering for him, it might work. Though I guess Juventus should stop experimenting and go with someone that should be a slam dunk.
I agree that he belongs behind the strikers in an advanced midfield role with no defensive expectations. I don't see Ranieri doing anything but a 4-3-3 trident, or a "Capello-style" 4-4-2 with offensive wing midfielders and defensive centre midfielders. I suppose he could be the centre of a trident with two forwards playing high, but that would push Iaquinta and Palladino further down the pecking order, and not reward their solid play.
Like I said, I'm not a fan of either, and the more I think about it, the more I don't like it. They should just get Ranieri's man, Lampard, and be done with it. Then there's no more excuses.
I agree that he belongs behind the strikers in an advanced midfield role with no defensive expectations. I don't see Ranieri doing anything but a 4-3-3 trident, or a "Capello-style" 4-4-2 with offensive wing midfielders and defensive centre midfielders. I suppose he could be the centre of a trident with two forwards playing high, but that would push Iaquinta and Palladino further down the pecking order, and not reward their solid play.
Like I said, I'm not a fan of either, and the more I think about it, the more I don't like it. They should just get Ranieri's man, Lampard, and be done with it. Then there's no more excuses.
1) Tiago was not struggling to be in the Chelsea B side.
2) It's obvious that Mourinho believes in Tiago as he fielded him over 50 times during his first season, the one in which Chelsea won the Premiership. Tiago started more than half of the matches in the league that season, so that has to count for something.
3) Mourinho is miles above Ranieri in any facet of coaching, so I trust his opinion more than I do the latter.
While Riquelme would add a lot to this side, we would have to change many facets of our game to accomodate him. First off, Riquelme would need a free role behind the strikers as he does not fit into a system such as the straight 4-4-2. Secondly, we would become far too dependant upon Juan, virtually having our results be linked with how he manages to perform.
But what I don't like about him the most is that he seems to choke on the highest level. Sure, he'll probably amaze Stadio Olimpico when we play the likes of Siena and Atalanta, but I have a feeling when we play Milan or Roma he will disappear.
As you know, my favorite sort of player in this sport is a natural playmaker just like Riquelme. But I have seen Riquelme enough to say no to his capture as he is not a consistent player and quite the choker. I'd take an array of other players than him.
2) It's obvious that Mourinho believes in Tiago as he fielded him over 50 times during his first season, the one in which Chelsea won the Premiership. Tiago started more than half of the matches in the league that season, so that has to count for something.
3) Mourinho is miles above Ranieri in any facet of coaching, so I trust his opinion more than I do the latter.
While Riquelme would add a lot to this side, we would have to change many facets of our game to accomodate him. First off, Riquelme would need a free role behind the strikers as he does not fit into a system such as the straight 4-4-2. Secondly, we would become far too dependant upon Juan, virtually having our results be linked with how he manages to perform.
But what I don't like about him the most is that he seems to choke on the highest level. Sure, he'll probably amaze Stadio Olimpico when we play the likes of Siena and Atalanta, but I have a feeling when we play Milan or Roma he will disappear.
As you know, my favorite sort of player in this sport is a natural playmaker just like Riquelme. But I have seen Riquelme enough to say no to his capture as he is not a consistent player and quite the choker. I'd take an array of other players than him.
I know a lot of guys don't like Gerrard and Lampard, but I really think if there are any two foreign players who could really adapt well to the Italian style and be the all-encompassing midfielder, its those two guys.
I want to hear some rumors of players that actually improve the team that they have and adding something new, not risks like Riquelme or redundancies like Sissoko.
I want to hear some rumors of players that actually improve the team that they have and adding something new, not risks like Riquelme or redundancies like Sissoko.
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