Riccardo Calafiori - D LC - Bologna (9 Viewers)

[Osman]

Also realistically if there are top talents we have little to no chance of getting them if they aren't Italian. Those that are, like the ones you mentioned, you must do your utmost to get.

Yep Italian players tend to dream of playing for Juve, not because they fans necessary, because its its seen as pinnacle for their career kinda in their own nation.

We financially hamstrung to compete for foreign top players, so it becomes even more key to not lose out on the italian ones too to foreign rich clubs.

 

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[The Quazis]

Only Chiesa is top level star player in that list. Its not wether they italian or not in that list, but wether they good enough or not.


Its not a theory, its a historical fact italian top players as core unit is good for the culture building and consistent winning for Juve throughout history.


Its another matter italy produce much less of these players now. But it also makes it much more important to get the rare few who can become that for Juve when opportunity arise. This imo is such an opportunity. As a Verratti (vice Pirlo) was decade ago, or a young Donnarumma (vice Buffon) etc. Inter gotten Bastoni and Barella and prolly can keep them their whole careers or aslong as they good.


But end of the day, nationality aside, its mainly about if the player is good enough or not, but for what Salvo means, it makes sense to want italian top players as part of the core of Juve, because of the proven history of it.

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Yeah I know, human nature, but its just funny, because I see most of the guys reacting like this as sensible guys so pointing it out.

Balk on the price for sure, I get it, but its silly to balk about the players quality now after hand.

I was replying to Salvo saying he doesn't like Juventus missing out on Italian talents. All of the players I mentioned were considered big talents, we invested heavily on them in most cases and lost that money eventually.

 

[Osman]

True that with an exception that he hasn't proved to be a top quality defender. He had a good season at BOLOGNA where he was often benched by Lucumi. It's not like we missed out on Nesta who was a captain of Lazio with 260 caps when he moved to Milan.

Thats true, but he is potentially top quality player, but his skillset is unique and really high level, it survives the eye test with ease. He looks as good as any young top player in the past that came from mid level clubs (there is a reason he is looked to sign immediately after his breakout). So dont need to doubt him extra in my opinion, tho nothing is guranteed. Its not either Nesta or bust. Alot of inbetween that.

P.S He was benched by Lucumi? Calafiori started 28 league games, and was used as sub for 4 games.

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I was replying to Salvo saying he doesn't like Juventus missing out on Italian talents. All of the players I mentioned were considered big talents, we invested heavily on them in most cases and lost that money eventually.

Yeah but you mentionned Chiesa and then alot of mid level players and half the list were bums lol

The only one outside Chiesa who had semi-exciting buzz was Bernadeschi. He had 14 league goals with Viola and had flair left foot, so it got some carried away. But otherwise rest werent hyped or seen as top italian names. Locatelli just a decent/good expectations, not more then that. Orsolini or Ogbonna not worth mentionning. Kean just one of our youth players we had as depth/rotation. Berardi is 2nd most accomplished after Chiesa in Serie A, but he has been a small team merchant and was never in our books or that serious about ever moving to us or any other club.


I think Salvo is thinking about higher level players then that. The only one who truly qualifies for what Salvo mentionned at the time when they were coming up, is Bernadeschi as mentionned. He defenitely turned out to be a major bust lol.

 

[Bjerknes]

I think I just want Juventus to have that Italian core. Calafiori would've been perfect.

It doesn’t make any difference at this point. If we can’t sign the best Italian talents because the stupid clubs in the country don’t want to do business with us, who cares. It’s a global game now. Of course we should still try to sign the best Italian talents like Cala, but I’m done buying mediocre Italians because that’s all we can get from these shitbag clubs.

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Italiens are overrated bro and I think we should stop with this theory to concentrate on them because they would be loyal. Just look how loyal Chiesa turned out to be.
We've invested a fortune in so called Italian talents. Chiesa, Bernardeschi, Kean, Caldara, Orsolini, Berardi, Ogbonna, Locatelli. It's just a shit investment.

Yessir

 

[abstract]

It's pretty crazy how Italy is not producing any talent whatsoever compered to other big football nations, Calafiori is the biggest one.
wtf is Italy doing

 

[Bjerknes]

It's pretty crazy how Italy is not producing any talent whatsoever compered to other big football nations, Calafiori is the biggest one.
wtf is Italy doing

Cultural decline and failure to adapt. The Southern Baptist rednecks of football.

 

[Osman]

It's pretty crazy how Italy is not producing any talent whatsoever compered to other big football nations, Calafiori is the biggest one.
wtf is Italy doing

Crazy thing is lately Italian youth NTs are dominating from U16-17 to U21. But the mindset of just throwing a kid out there and giving early development through just playing them early isn't there.


They spend years in Serie B or C, benches in overly result driven Serie A clubs with coaches terrified to get fired and get forgotten.

It doesn't mean everyone is special, but the mindset and sink or swim attitude about giving them early chance isn't just there. Like it's in other major Euro leagues.

 

[abstract]

Crazy thing is lately Italian youth NTs are dominating from U16-17 to U21. But the mindset of just throwing a kid out there and giving early development through just playing them early isn't there.


They spend years in Serie B or C, benches in overly result driven Serie A clubs with coaches terrified to get fired and get forgotten.

It doesn't mean everyone is special, but the mindset and sink or swim attitude about giving them early chance isn't just there. Like it's in other major Euro leagues.

You just know when Juve gets some young Italian player and then sends him on loan you'll never hear about him ever again

 

[Alex-444]

It's pretty crazy how Italy is not producing any talent whatsoever compered to other big football nations, Calafiori is the biggest one.
wtf is Italy doing

this generation

 

[DanielSz]

It's pretty crazy how Italy is not producing any talent whatsoever compered to other big football nations, Calafiori is the biggest one.
wtf is Italy doing

wut

 

[abstract]

wut

He's the hottest Italian talent right now.

 

[DanielSz]

He's the hottest Italian talent right now.

he’s not even the best defensive talent. I’d put Scalvini, Udogie, maybe even Kayode ahead of him.

 

[s4tch]

You just know when Juve gets some young Italian player and then sends him on loan you'll never hear about him ever again

that's why i'd prefer keeping a guy llike miretti around

i get that such players would need continuity, playtime and shit, but in that case odds are the less professional working environment wouldn't benefit them too much. we'll also have like 50+ matches, we'll need literally every player. and i prefer to give rotation minutes to guys who have potential, rather than sign a random balkan or spanish 2nd grade player to play 800 minutes and isn't homegrown or u23 anyway, so would occupy a precious slot in the 25-man squad

 

[Xperd]

I wish people realize the reason we aren't getting him is because we don't have that kind of money atm. Simple as.

And all those rumors about spending 50M+ on Koopmeiners, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[FlavioJuve]

I have yet to see Calafiori to Arsenal being actually confirmed. Call me naive, but I still think the players preference might be a deal breaker here.
We'll see

 

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[Stevie]

I'm sure if Motta felt like he was worth anything close to what Bologna are asking for he would push to make it happen.

For once I'm going trust our management on this one.

If we can't afford him and have other more important priorities then so be it.

 

[Xperd]

Let's not deny the fact that we have spent a fortune on Italian 'talents'. Besides the fact there haven't been too many of them in the past decade.

Locatelli was one of the best young CM's in the league and starter for Italy's Euro winning team. Turdeski at the time was one of the brightest young talents in the league. Needless to say with Chiesa. It's just that they haven't turned out the way we expected.

The only 'talent' that we probably missed out on was Barella and soon became unattainable the moment he joined Inda.

Just because we aren't spending €50M on Calafiori(money that we don't have), that doesn't mean JJ aren't investing on Italian talents. That's a pretty ridiculous conclusion to make.

If Tici was in still in charge, I'm sure he would've made a lot of Tuzzers happy by investing 50-60M on Calafiori while reinforcing the rest of the squad with scraps.

 

[Bjerknes]

Arsenal fans are now throwing a fit about losing Kiwior but are happy with Cala.

Spoiled, soiled fucking twats.

 

[Gino]

I feel like your confidence is misplaced. It's not 2010 anymore. Italians go everywhere now.

yeah , who? the 2 african italians? what italian? tonali? he wanted to go? on gunpoint?
Tonali is still miserable in newcastle and never wanted to go.
the problem is the italian teams bar Juventus, who always gives a good deal to other italian serie a teams.
remember when we wanted locatelli and vlahovic?and then arsenal came and everyone was like ow shit now he is 100% going to arsenal and the epl?
and in the papers we did not have a single dollar to buy dusan and than bam 75mil
i still believe he is an option for us and if we really want him we will get him.