Real Scandal Here... (35 Viewers)

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
from wat i understood from the article posted, is that the lawyer of De Sanctis says that the phone taps were requested by Massimo Moratti and carried out by a Telecom official.

Doesnt say nothing abt the phone taps on other personnel though.
 

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Omair

Herticity
Sep 27, 2006
3,254
maxi said:
From Gazzetta dello Sport:

Tavaroli: "Spiavo per l'Inter"
L'ex dirigente Telecom indica nei nerazzurri i committenti dei controlli su De Santis. L'investigatore Cipriani: "Più di una squadra in ufficio". Martedì Moratti vede Borrelli
Massimo Moratti, patron dell'Inter. AnsaMILANO, 1 ottobre 2006 - L'ex responsabile della sicurezza di Telecom, Giuliano Tavaroli, nel suo interrogatorio di venerdì con i giudici milanesi che indagano sull'acquisizione illegale di informazioni riservate, avrebbe parlato di un'attività di spionaggio nei confronti dell'arbitro Massimo De Santis commissionata, almeno in parte, dall'Inter (contraddicendo quanto dichiarato dal patron nerazzurro Massimo Moratti nei giorni scorsi). A rivelarlo è il suo legale, l'avvocato Massimo Dinoia: "L'attività - dice - è stata commissionata dall'Inter, dalla sua dirigenza, ed è stata svolta in parte da Tavaroli, in parte da Cipriani dell'agenzia investigativa Polis d'Istinto". Gli accertamenti avrebbero riguardato soprattutto controlli sul patrimonio dell'ex fischietto internazionale e si sarebbero svolti "tra la fine del 2002 e gli inizi del 2003".
Tavaroli è stato sentito nel carcere di Voghera, dove è rinchiuso dopo l'ordinanza di arresto nei suoi confronti emessa dal Gip Paola Belsito il 20 settembre scorso. L'ex manager di Telecom, che sarà risentito dai magistrati tra qualche giorno, avrebbe poi escluso l'esistenza di conti irregolari all'estero a disposizione dei vertici della società.
Dal canto suo, Emanuele Cipriani, nell'interrogatorio di garanzia sostenuto davanti al gip di Milano, Paola Belsito, dopo il suo arresto, ha spiegato che il suo rapporto di lavoro con il gruppo Pirelli-Telecom cominciò inizialmente solo con Pirelli, "quando c'era il dottor Sola", ma l'exploit, in termini di quantità di incarichi, si verificò con l'avvento di Giuliano Tavaroli in Telecom. Da quel momento in poi, "c'è stato un momento in Pirelli - ha raccontato - in cui erano più d'una le squadre di calcio in ufficio". L'investigatore privato ha anche detto di non escludere che "su alcune pratiche" ci potessero essere informazioni "non legali", prima dell'arrivo di Tavaroli, il quale, quando Cipriani cominciò il suo rapporto con Pirelli, "era all'Italtel, lontanissimo da Telecom".
Intanto si è appreso che martedì si svolgerà l'atteso incontro tra Moratti e il capo Ufficio indagini della Figc, Francesco Saverio Borrelli.


Moratti, Rossi et al to jail please.
Come on, take these slimy shits down!!!


Transilation ... anyone??:faq1: :faq1:

thanks
 

maxi

Senior Member
Aug 31, 2006
3,514
The title reads "I was spying for Inter"Basically says that the ex head of security for Telecom has issued a statement via his lawyer saying that there was a spying operation set up against the ref De Santis. This was put into motion by the top members of Inter and a investigative agency called Polis d'Istinto. IT also goes on to talk about what sounds like a rather sinister change within the Pirelli/telecom set-up in regards to this spying upon the arrival of Tavolini. The investigator Cipriani says "there was more than one team in the office". Hmm.
Moratti the git is going to meet with the head of FIGC investigations Borelli on tuesday.
We need someone to stir this up. Its so clear whats gone on - now we need Inter to pay (although my feeling is that the corruption and plotting which revolves around Inter also involves the powers that could do anything about it - so they're unlikely to rock the boat - this is where we need powerful figures and characters in Juve to insist on complete and open investigation by neutral authorities.)
 

Omair

Herticity
Sep 27, 2006
3,254
Thanks mate :) ...

we also need the people in italy to move against it ... especially juve fans ... if the authorotied move for the people then for whom would the move?? :agree:
 

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
Aug 25, 2006
10,215
maxi said:
We need someone to stir this up. Its so clear whats gone on - now we need Inter to pay (although my feeling is that the corruption and plotting which revolves around Inter also involves the powers that could do anything about it - so they're unlikely to rock the boat - this is where we need powerful figures and characters in Juve to insist on complete and open investigation by neutral authorities.)
:agree: A neutral investigative team is required, but you would have to go outside Italy to find one that inter can't bribe & Italy will not do that because no-one likes to air dirty linen in public.

Thanks for the translation btw.
 

AngelaL

Jinx Minx
Aug 25, 2006
10,215
Omair said:
Thanks mate :) ...

we also need the people in italy to move against it ... especially juve fans ... if the authorotied move for the people then for whom would the move?? :agree:
Yes, all the honest citizens of Italy need to band together against this, because, if only Juve fans do so, they will ignore us. They'll just say that we're just moaning against inter because we got demoted.
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
maxi said:
The title reads "I was spying for Inter"Basically says that the ex head of security for Telecom has issued a statement via his lawyer saying that there was a spying operation set up against the ref De Santis. This was put into motion by the top members of Inter and a investigative agency called Polis d'Istinto. IT also goes on to talk about what sounds like a rather sinister change within the Pirelli/telecom set-up in regards to this spying upon the arrival of Tavolini. The investigator Cipriani says "there was more than one team in the office". Hmm.
Moratti the git is going to meet with the head of FIGC investigations Borelli on tuesday.
We need someone to stir this up. Its so clear whats gone on - now we need Inter to pay (although my feeling is that the corruption and plotting which revolves around Inter also involves the powers that could do anything about it - so they're unlikely to rock the boat - this is where we need powerful figures and characters in Juve to insist on complete and open investigation by neutral authorities.)
it that mean ibra gonna play in C2? that would make my years
 

C4ISR

Senior Member
Dec 18, 2005
2,362
Nothing big will happen of this. Majority of the public has all their facts on calciogate backwards. Look no further than goal.com, ppl still think this was a match fixing scandal.
 

zizoufan

Z.Z T h e M a s t e r
May 25, 2004
2,500
Shyne said:
Nothing big will happen of this. Majority of the public has all their facts on calciogate backwards. Look no further than goal.com, ppl still think this was a match fixing scandal.
members here from italy must organise something like a forum to inform italian and non italian about what is going on right now
 

d.nico

Senior Member
Apr 23, 2003
2,244
This scandal proved one thing. Juve is a wake team in term of authority and power. FIAT post Umberto and Gianni is pathetic. And our board are chicken sh!t.

This is really sad.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Italian fixing scandal goes down to the wire



SAMUEL JOHNSON FAMOUSLY OPINED that “it is is better to suffer wrong than to do it and happier to be sometimes cheated than not to trust”. Johnson would have a hard time selling his argument in Italian football.

You may have thought that last spring’s influence-peddling scandal was the final instalment in Serie A’s cloak-and-dagger chicanery. Think again. Last week, it emerged that employees of Telecom, Italy’s equivalent of BT, were illegally wire-tapping hundreds of Italian public figures, including businessmen, politicians, actors and footballers.

At the heart of the inquiry is Giuliano Tavaroli, Telecom’s chief of security. According to magistrates, Tavaroli teamed up with Emanuele Cipriani, a private investigator whose company is registered in London, to sell the transcripts of the phone calls. They were also allegedly a one-stop surveillance shop: for a fee, Cipriani could arrange to have someone followed and even obtain bank records via his contacts in the Italian secret service.

The idea was simple: people who are famous, rich or powerful occasionally have skeletons in their closet. You may discover that someone is dodging his taxes or associating with criminals; or that he cheats on his wife or enjoys pornography in industrial quantities. Whatever the case, by invading their privacy you can gather sensitive information that can be used either to blackmail them or, if leaked to the press, damage their reputation.

The whole affair intersects neatly with the scandal that resulted in Juventus being relegated to Serie B and AC Milan, Fiorentina, Reggina and Lazio being slapped with hefty points penalties. Most of the evidence in the case was gathered via wiretaps.

And here is where the conspiracy theorists went to town. One club benefited more than any other from the scandal: Inter Milan. They were assigned last season’s scudetto — after Juventus were stripped of the title — and their rivals’ punishments forced them to sell players and weaken their squads.

Telecom’s majority shareholder, Marco Tronchetti Provera, holds a 13.9 per cent stake in Inter and investigators found that Cipriani had invoiced Inter for services rendered. Massimo Moratti, the owner of Inter, is scheduled to be heard by the Italian FA on this matter next week. One unnamed Telecom employeee told magistrates that Adamo Bove, Tavaroli’s right-hand man at Telecom, asked him to log the phone calls of a number of officials at Juventus and the Italian FA, as well as various referees. Bove committed suicide last July.

Some of the conspiracy theorists maintain that the summer’s scandal — in which Juventus and other clubs were found to have colluded with high-ranking officials at the Italian FA to influence the selection and performance of referees — was orchestrated by Inter, using their influence over Telecom and their access to phone records.

Right now it’s hard for me to be objective,” Didier Deschamps, the Juventus manager, said. “So all I’m going to say is that, until a few weeks ago, people thought we were the only club who were rotten to the core. Now these same people have changed their mind and they’re starting to believe that everything that went on this summer was an organised and concerted effort to bring us down.”

One of the most staggering aspects of the affair emerged on Friday, when it was alleged that Tavaroli and Cipriani were spying on Tronchetti Provera, Telecom’s chairman, as well, which would suggest that he was not involved, thereby weakening the Inter link.

And as far as the invoice to the club, Inter claim that it was surveillance work carried out on Christian Vieri, the striker, whom they suspected was spending too much time in various nightclubs.

Either way, none of this changes the fact that the clubs punished in the scandal were found guilty based on wire-tap evidence, which is largely indisputable. True, it does matter how evidence is obtained, but the wire-taps that condemned Juventus and others were legally obtained by magistrates.

That said, the allegation that Inter were spying on their players is unsettling. Juxtapose the amount of money in football and the relatively paltry wages of phone company employees and the opportunity for wrongdoing is tempting.


By Gabriele Marcotti
 

Omair

Herticity
Sep 27, 2006
3,254
I donno really ... they caught us hand in cookie jar by having a picture of us from a stolen camera ... who should be punished first ?? and should they be rewarded for catching us .. damn it ...
 

chester

Too busy to bother
May 20, 2006
15,055
New revelation rocks Inter Monday 2 October, 2006

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Inter’s position in the most recent telephone interception scandal has become more critical after the confession of a former Telecom manager.

The FIGC launched a new investigation, which is being led by the head of the Investigation Office Francesco Saverio Borrelli, after former referee Massimo De Santis accused Inter of tailing him as well as tapping his phone in 2002, in the aftermath of the new scandal revealing hundreds of cases of phone interceptions by Telecom Italia.

According to the Italian Press, the ex-Telecom Italia security boss Giuliano Tavaroli confessed from prison that the he did spy on De Santis and that this activity was at least in part commissioned by the Nerazzurri, as confirmed by his lawyer.

"That is partially true. The activity was commissioned by the Inter management and was taken care of in part by Tavaroli, in part by the private investigator Emanuele Cipriani,” said Massimo Dinoia after speaking to his client in the Voghera prison.

“The investigation was mainly aimed at acquiring information on the referee’s properties and was conducted between 2002 and 2003.”

Nerazzurri owner Massimo Moratti reacted immediately to the accusations, saying that his club had nothing to do with the interceptions despite Telecom being one of its shareholders.

He is scheduled to meet Borrelli on Tuesday to clarify his position, while De Santis, who declared that he would claim damages, will be heard on Monday.

Inter could risk a fine for violating the sporting code if the accusations prove to be true, but at the time being there is no reason to believe that there would be consequences for the team itself in terms of points deductions.
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
rscafan said:
New revelation rocks Inter Monday 2 October, 2006

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Inter’s position in the most recent telephone interception scandal has become more critical after the confession of a former Telecom manager.

The FIGC launched a new investigation, which is being led by the head of the Investigation Office Francesco Saverio Borrelli, after former referee Massimo De Santis accused Inter of tailing him as well as tapping his phone in 2002, in the aftermath of the new scandal revealing hundreds of cases of phone interceptions by Telecom Italia.

According to the Italian Press, the ex-Telecom Italia security boss Giuliano Tavaroli confessed from prison that the he did spy on De Santis and that this activity was at least in part commissioned by the Nerazzurri, as confirmed by his lawyer.

"That is partially true. The activity was commissioned by the Inter management and was taken care of in part by Tavaroli, in part by the private investigator Emanuele Cipriani,” said Massimo Dinoia after speaking to his client in the Voghera prison.

“The investigation was mainly aimed at acquiring information on the referee’s properties and was conducted between 2002 and 2003.”

Nerazzurri owner Massimo Moratti reacted immediately to the accusations, saying that his club had nothing to do with the interceptions despite Telecom being one of its shareholders.

He is scheduled to meet Borrelli on Tuesday to clarify his position, while De Santis, who declared that he would claim damages, will be heard on Monday.

Inter could risk a fine for violating the sporting code if the accusations prove to be true, but at the time being there is no reason to believe that there would be consequences for the team itself in terms of points deductions.
All Italy dirty laundry to come to surface this year, just like in the 80s, before World Cup.

Deja Vu anybody?

Just to remind you, Milan and Lazio were thrown out of the Serie A for match-fixing.

This time it is only us in Serie B, but maybe not for long?

To be continued...:D
 

Luftwaffles

Il terzo uomo
Dec 1, 2005
5,047
For Inter it will all end in tears.

Both on the pitch, where they are, despite the megabucks 'Mad' Max Moratti throws at the transfer market, the best laugh since 'Faulty Towers' or 'Only Fools and Horses', and off the pitch where they will pay for their conspiracy with crooked men is suits.

Time is on our side.

In the meantime I wish Roma or Palermo well in their quest for this seasons Scudetto.
 

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