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fredrik

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Aug 7, 2011
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I lower my grade to 4, as one of our 3 primary targets (LB, RB, LW) failed arrive.
This also downgrades the acquisition of Vucinic and Vidal as an unjustified excess due to the fact that we have preferred to fine tune smth that it was working, of the expense of smth utterly broken for 6 consecutive seasons...
what was working? aquagirl and melo? that was not working at all. melos passing is horrible, and 0 creativity. aqua was poor second half of the season, and his passing 10000 times worse than pirlo.
the overall speed and tecnical ability of the team has been significantly improved this year, and most teams will struggle against us.
 

fredrik

Senior Member
Aug 7, 2011
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This "argument" has already been eviscerated elsewhere. Multiple times in fact.
his passing mostly consist of easy 2-10m passes, either going backwards or to the side. calling melo a creative player is just wrong. last year we had trouble with creativity and breaking down even the worst of teams. aqua and melo imo was not good enough or had the skills to break open the defense of other teams. juventus was too dependent on krasic, and when krasic was out of form, we had nothing going forward.
 

Djabrail

Senior Member
May 23, 2008
1,115
5.

We conceded 103 goals the last 2 years. Defence was the departement that needed the biggest improvement, the only upgrade is Licht. We'd rather buy a SS than a good CB.
We also made a risky move by appointing Conte. Hope i'm wrong tough
Thats Cronios right there:lol:
 

fredrik

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Aug 7, 2011
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6 teams scored more goals than us last year.
7 teams consided less goals than we did last year.

our problem was not just defence, we also didnt score enough goals. imo its wrong to say we needed one thing more than the other. we needed improvement both in def. and off.
we drew 13 matches last year, that was the problem. so we concided to many goals and scored to few.
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
what was working? aquagirl and melo? that was not working at all. melos passing is horrible, and 0 creativity. aqua was poor second half of the season, and his passing 10000 times worse than pirlo.
the overall speed and tecnical ability of the team has been significantly improved this year, and most teams will struggle against us.
You're so full of it it is not even funny.
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
6 teams scored more goals than us last year.
7 teams consided less goals than we did last year.

our problem was not just defence, we also didnt score enough goals. imo its wrong to say we needed one thing more than the other. we needed improvement both in def. and off.
we drew 13 matches last year, that was the problem. so we concided to many goals and scored to few.
What kind of logic is that? We had the worst home record in conceding goals, worse than relegation battlers, ffs! With 20 goals conceded less we would be 2nd best team in Serie A. So the defense WAS the biggest problem. Compare our goals conceded and Milan's goals conceded and you will see what I am talking about. How many times we were leading against teams only to fuck up because of our poor defense? You're so far a terrible poster and you don't make any sense.
 

fredrik

Senior Member
Aug 7, 2011
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What kind of logic is that? We had the worst home record in conceding goals, worse than relegation battlers, ffs! With 20 goals conceded less we would be 2nd best team in Serie A. So the defense WAS the biggest problem. Compare our goals conceded and Milan's goals conceded and you will see what I am talking about. How many times we were leading against teams only to fuck up because of our poor defense? You're so far a terrible poster and you don't make any sense.
just bc we dont agree dosnt mean it doesnt make sanse. i was talking about concided goals overall. milan had an exellente record, only letting in 24 goals, no other team were anywhere near that.
when we where leading the match, one of our problems was conciding goals, the other problem was not scoring a goal or two more, to secure the lead.
you see it as a defensive problem, i see it as both a defensive and offensive problem, nothing wrong with that.
 

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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his passing mostly consist of easy 2-10m passes, either going backwards or to the side. calling melo a creative player is just wrong. last year we had trouble with creativity and breaking down even the worst of teams. aqua and melo imo was not good enough or had the skills to break open the defense of other teams. juventus was too dependent on krasic, and when krasic was out of form, we had nothing going forward.
I didn't see anyone call Melo a creative player - and why would he be depended on to "break open the defense of other teams"?

Are you kidding? You realize that a large part of the reason why Melo had such a bad first season was because he was being asked to do too much in the way of ball distribution, right?

Have you seen the statistics for Melo's passing completion percentage? He's more than serviceable in that regard, when he sticks to his game and doesn't try to do too much.

6 teams scored more goals than us last year.
7 teams consided less goals than we did last year.

our problem was not just defence, we also didnt score enough goals. imo its wrong to say we needed one thing more than the other. we needed improvement both in def. and off.
we drew 13 matches last year, that was the problem. so we concided to many goals and scored to few.
2 years ago we allowed more goals than a relegated Atalanta squad. Last year we allowed 47 goals. Stick to the cliched adages here man, it'll be easier: "Defense wins championships." It holds true more often than not, in nearly ALL team sports, and our defense has been putrid for awhile now. It has been a bigger problem than our offense.

You know how you mentioned AC Milan's outstanding defensive record? Where did they finish? Exactly where we should always be aiming to finish.

Also - it's easier to score goals when you have a lead. Teams have to attack, over commit themselves, and can be exploited. We've been giving up a lot of early goals, and then having to fight back against clubs that put 10 men behind the ball. We also blow leads, because the players get nervous because they KNOW the defense is a sieve.
 

ZoSo

TSUUUUUUU
Jul 11, 2011
41,646
his passing mostly consist of easy 2-10m passes, either going backwards or to the side. calling melo a creative player is just wrong. last year we had trouble with creativity and breaking down even the worst of teams. aqua and melo imo was not good enough or had the skills to break open the defense of other teams. juventus was too dependent on krasic, and when krasic was out of form, we had nothing going forward.
That was one of our main problems last year, most of the time we were dependent on 2-3 players for all creativity and scoring (Krasic, Quag/Matri and Del Piero).This year the load is spread around a lot more. Now we have Krasic, Pirlo, Vidal, Elia, Quag/Matri, Vucinic/DP and also Lichtsteiner to help Krasic. Our team is infinitely more balanced this year.
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
7,451
2 years ago we allowed more goals than a relegated Atalanta squad. Last year we allowed 47 goals. Stick to the cliched adages here man, it'll be easier: "Defense wins championships." It holds true more often than not, in nearly ALL team sports, and our defense has been putrid for awhile now. It has been a bigger problem than our offense.

You know how you mentioned AC Milan's outstanding defensive record? Where did they finish? Exactly where we should always be aiming to finish.

Also - it's easier to score goals when you have a lead. Teams have to attack, over commit themselves, and can be exploited. We've been giving up a lot of early goals, and then having to fight back against clubs that put 10 men behind the ball. We also blow leads, because the players get nervous because they KNOW the defense is a sieve.
:agree:

Our defence is horrible, our "main" reason for failure in the past two seasons is the defence nodoubt about that.

Anyone who don't realize that is pretty much clueless about the game.
 

Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
61,689
It's not like we finish in a CL spot every season anyway...

You're all panicking for nothing though. All these jeers will turn into applauses.
 

Cronios

Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,412
what was working? aquagirl and melo? that was not working at all. melos passing is horrible, and 0 creativity. aqua was poor second half of the season, and his passing 10000 times worse than pirlo.
the overall speed and tecnical ability of the team has been significantly improved this year, and most teams will struggle against us.
Melo WAS working better than 80% of our team and since Aquilani and Sissoko were replaced early on with Pirlo and Pazienza and we also decided to give another chance to Marchisio.
The last thing that should worry us was yet another CM, 3mil spent on Lugano would be by a far wiser choice...
Melo was not supposed to bring creativity, but solidarity, Pirlo and a LW should give us that creativity and of course one of the many SSs we have.

Signing Vucinic after that was, was yet another huge mistake, considering our priorities, practically our high end mercato ended there, since our budget was exausted.
From there, we should do the better we could for our primary targets LW and or LB/CB, but we kept wasting money right and left on Giaccherinis and Estigarribias...

Terrible terrible mercato...

Do you think that Bonucci, Martinez and Grosso were working better than Melo, than how can you justify they were overlooked and the CM and SS took priority?
And keep in mind that this has happened for the 6th consecutive season...
 

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