Ramadan Kareem!! (27 Viewers)
- Thread starter Asma
- Start date
Sure.
people who deny scientific facts are just plain fools, but this 'book that is writtin before modern science' does have a lot of interesting verses about this world and the science within, the thing is andy, ur a reasonable guy, ur the kind of person one can reason with, i mean have u actually read the quraan? i mean i wouldnt judge a book unless i had read all of it, the quraan describes how man is created from a clot of blood in the womb, this was at a time where people didnt know about things like that, also take a look at this link
http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm
there are many things writen in the quraan which do compliment science and explain a lot of things, like i said, try not to judge things unless you really know what you're dealing with
i'm a logical reasonable person, i'm muslim and i'm not naive enough to say that while fasting, sissoko is not going to play at 100%, hence in an earlier post, i stated i think it would be perfectly fair that he take a pay cut for the month, which is what i would have done since he's not able to give his maximum to the team
http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm
there are many things writen in the quraan which do compliment science and explain a lot of things, like i said, try not to judge things unless you really know what you're dealing with
i'm a logical reasonable person, i'm muslim and i'm not naive enough to say that while fasting, sissoko is not going to play at 100%, hence in an earlier post, i stated i think it would be perfectly fair that he take a pay cut for the month, which is what i would have done since he's not able to give his maximum to the team
Very very very few people who follow a religion in radical are intelligent. Granted most of those that are born in a strong religious climate never get the opportunities to become intelligent, but you get my point. I am sure there are smart muslims, christians and Jews who seem really fanatic about their beliefs, but they're probably faking it.
There are also things older than hinduism. And there are things older than those things. It's worth inspecting and I have and I think it's complete bollocks. Like I have said before, I think it's a poor, radical and in some cases dangerous religion. But that's not the debate. We are talking about why people who believe in Allah can't accept certain scientific facts. Miss_Dubai for example is obviously a nutter, yet she seems to pass as perfectly rational for you guys.
There are also things older than hinduism. And there are things older than those things. It's worth inspecting and I have and I think it's complete bollocks. Like I have said before, I think it's a poor, radical and in some cases dangerous religion. But that's not the debate. We are talking about why people who believe in Allah can't accept certain scientific facts. Miss_Dubai for example is obviously a nutter, yet she seems to pass as perfectly rational for you guys.
I AM objective. And you ARE a lunatic, and that has nothing to do with your hate on religion 
We haven't said your religion is false.
What the hell are you talking about? Islam hasn't changed. The same book has carried the same verses in it for all the years it has been here (depite the numerous attemopts to change it)
Islam is not a person, or a society. A person and scoiety don't hold set standards. Thier standards change with time. That's why Religion stands the test of time, because it stays the same. If some ignorant nut wants to twist and turn words for his agneda then that's his problem
Islam is not a person, or a society. A person and scoiety don't hold set standards. Thier standards change with time. That's why Religion stands the test of time, because it stays the same. If some ignorant nut wants to twist and turn words for his agneda then that's his problem
so basically, ur saying there are a lot of muslims who are intolerable and can't accept reasonable views, and also there are individuals who are very intolerant. I would agree with that 100%, however, sometimes, it's not the religeon that's to blame, it's the people who practice it, i know muslim converts who are british, and they don't have the cultural crap that's sometimes attatched to islam, sometimes people need to differentiate between the culture of the middle east and the surrounding area and islam in itself, the people who force their views on others, for a start that pisses me off, if it's not in their heart, what is the point, it should be taken on freely and if not then people shoudl chose to live in whatever way they want, i hate it when muslims think we're all perfect and there are no problems, there is no corruption in mosques etc, just burying their heads in the sand and pretending nothings wrong, but what u say is true and reasonable 
Fasting is good for a person who believes in fasting because it give him a connection with God. That's it. It's spiritual. You endure physical hardships (insert your presented Scientific facts) for the sake of spirtual gains. That's it, There's no 2 ways about it.
and you may not have said outright that the religion is fake, but when you say that one aspect of religion is wrong, or bad, then the whole religion becomes bad. Why because religion is the word/will of God, and if part of it is wrong than what stops all of it from being wrong?
I don't particularly care whether you believe in Islam being fake or not. t's you right to think whatever you want
You believe Islam is really just about a book? 
Religions do not stay the same. You're blatantly wrong on this one. In fact, there are few things that change more than religions do. The standards of religions change quite a lot. It's a bit worrying I have to do this as I thought you were, somewhat at least, informed about the outside world.
You see, my friend, in this outside world gruesome things happened in darker and more sinister times. These times were called the Middle Ages. 1091 was a particularly bad year in these Middle Ages, because this was the year in which pope Urban II called for the first crusade. Various atrocities were committed during this crusade and during the ones that would follow. All of this happened in the name of religion. You see, my friend, pope Urban II felt that Jerusalem should be freed from muslim rule and be christian once and for all.
Now you say religions don't change. So imagine pope Benedict XVI doing the same.
God.. some people aren't bright, but this?
Religions do not stay the same. You're blatantly wrong on this one. In fact, there are few things that change more than religions do. The standards of religions change quite a lot. It's a bit worrying I have to do this as I thought you were, somewhat at least, informed about the outside world.
You see, my friend, in this outside world gruesome things happened in darker and more sinister times. These times were called the Middle Ages. 1091 was a particularly bad year in these Middle Ages, because this was the year in which pope Urban II called for the first crusade. Various atrocities were committed during this crusade and during the ones that would follow. All of this happened in the name of religion. You see, my friend, pope Urban II felt that Jerusalem should be freed from muslim rule and be christian once and for all.
Now you say religions don't change. So imagine pope Benedict XVI doing the same.
God.. some people aren't bright, but this?
in regard to fasting being good for you, there are some benificial factors, i speak to a lot of professional body builders, and one of whome is muslim, and he told me that when he fasts during ramadan, his body is cleansed out, he finds that although he isn't able to build muscle during that period, it is very useful for cutting up, and that he is at a very ripped stage after, and it is only one month, mentally also, it does give u insight, i mean dawn till dusk, it makes u aware of what it's like to be hungry, and we get to eat at sunset, there are people in the world who dont get do eat for days, it helps to understnad what theyre going through to some extent
when people purely base things on faith, they do it blindly, but sometimes, there are justifications for certain things, and this is backed along with facts.
muslims do not drink alcohol becuase god forbids it right? lets say science had not yet progressed enough to show alcohol has bad effects on the body, would it mean that islam is wrong in saying alcohol is not good for u? now of course science has proven that alocohol (ehtanol) is actually a poison, and fair enough if u have a few glasses here and there its not terrible for u, but the general consensus is that alcohol isnt good, and there are many problems that arise due to its consumption, i think if u go to ur local doctor, or any american or european doctor they will agree
when people purely base things on faith, they do it blindly, but sometimes, there are justifications for certain things, and this is backed along with facts.
muslims do not drink alcohol becuase god forbids it right? lets say science had not yet progressed enough to show alcohol has bad effects on the body, would it mean that islam is wrong in saying alcohol is not good for u? now of course science has proven that alocohol (ehtanol) is actually a poison, and fair enough if u have a few glasses here and there its not terrible for u, but the general consensus is that alcohol isnt good, and there are many problems that arise due to its consumption, i think if u go to ur local doctor, or any american or european doctor they will agree
so basically, ur saying there are a lot of muslims who are intolerable and can't accept reasonable views, and also there are individuals who are very intolerant. I would agree with that 100%, however, sometimes, it's not the religeon that's to blame, it's the people who practice it, i know muslim converts who are british, and they don't have the cultural crap that's sometimes attatched to islam, sometimes people need to differentiate between the culture of the middle east and the surrounding area and islam in itself, the people who force their views on others, for a start that pisses me off, if it's not in their heart, what is the point, it should be taken on freely and if not then people shoudl chose to live in whatever way they want, i hate it when muslims think we're all perfect and there are no problems, there is no corruption in mosques etc, just burying their heads in the sand and pretending nothings wrong, but what u say is true and reasonable
I'm going to have to pull a Seven on Seven here, but oh well...
Fasting may not be good for you physically in the short, myopic term... no. But if you live in a society that has had to endure the occasional history of famines, plagues, and a discipline of self-sacrifice, it becomes a lot more rational.
I think there's a bit of ethnocentrism in your rational idea logic here...
Fasting may not be good for you physically in the short, myopic term... no. But if you live in a society that has had to endure the occasional history of famines, plagues, and a discipline of self-sacrifice, it becomes a lot more rational.
I think there's a bit of ethnocentrism in your rational idea logic here...