Radja Nainggolan - CM - Cagliari/Roma (29 Viewers)
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Do you lie on purpose or do you just don't know any better?
The only place where Melo got so much praise is this very forum, to a much, much lesser extent Italian forums. More criticism than praise. Trust me, I can read 1 or 2 Italian words.
Reporters? Melo was rated lower than more than half the team, including much criticized players like Marchisio & Aquilani. Now, I'm not saying you have to agree with that rating, but unlike the crap you're posting, that is a fact. You know, something that actually happened.
Opposition managers? They were obviously trembling when they faced us. Needless to say.
Don't know what you mean by speakers. Surely not the speakers on tv, because they sure weren't kind to him either.
Hell, maybe if that terrible first season (worst starting player for Juve I have personally ever seen) & that ill advised Parma $#@! up didn't happen, we would have had a different situation, because the raw talent is definitely there.
But they did & we don't.
Oh and: objectively
The only place where Melo got so much praise is this very forum, to a much, much lesser extent Italian forums. More criticism than praise. Trust me, I can read 1 or 2 Italian words.
Reporters? Melo was rated lower than more than half the team, including much criticized players like Marchisio & Aquilani. Now, I'm not saying you have to agree with that rating, but unlike the crap you're posting, that is a fact. You know, something that actually happened.
Opposition managers? They were obviously trembling when they faced us. Needless to say.
Don't know what you mean by speakers. Surely not the speakers on tv, because they sure weren't kind to him either.
Hell, maybe if that terrible first season (worst starting player for Juve I have personally ever seen) & that ill advised Parma $#@! up didn't happen, we would have had a different situation, because the raw talent is definitely there.
But they did & we don't.
Oh and: objectively
Most of the rates here and the ones who were reported here and third country rating on match reports i happen to come up against with were all rating Melo higher than Marchisio and Aquilani.
I dont know what kind of Italian ratings you speak of, but if its the only counterargument, then i will remind you that we are speaking about 2 Italian prides of the NT for a half colored man.
I guess those ratings consider Ballotelli the worst player of serie A dont they?
Is it objective though?
To become objective one must go past Nationality, color and character behavior to stricktly on the field performance.
Avoiding extremes like Italian nationalists, who would never praise the new Brazilian wonder than their hopes and Brazilian paper who always have praise for their new stars and compare them with old legends,
the objectivity lies somewhere in the middle.
If not anything else, in this very forum, there where several after match talks who were focused on players performances and when Melo was the only man supporting our unexistent defense and recovering balls left and right, i saw no one claiming that Aquilani and Marchisio were better. Where were you then to enlighten us?
The bulk of criticism Melo took from the Italian press, was that he is transfer fee was not justified, but of course in a such a catastrophic season for the team, not even Messi's would. (i also remind here that i was the main critic of the amount use in this very transfer whilst the majority here were drooling after Melo's games with the NT)
The TV speakers i happened to listen while watching those matches, also appreciated the fact that Melo was the only working part of our midfield too, the Italian speakers you were hearin were praising MArchisio at his worst season of his carrier, when everybody was calling him a ghost and i was trying to convince half of the forum that we should not sell him for 5mil? Hmm , interesting... and yet, i dont forget, i was here...
I just dont forget everything after a comment or two and i was referring to the capabilities of Melo to adapt in Conte's formation mostly, as i consider the comments just as words and dont value them as much as on the field performance. Yes i remember Melo crying because he didnt want to go, but after a while he adapted and offered good performances there too, the same can be done here again, if we so wish.
Point is, that we have the option and we must see this as a 25mil investment, rather smth emotional.
1)again sentimental words, that could be even lies to the fan ears. Melo could be feeling these, in that very moment, he is really driven by emotion and really is giving his all to his current team.
But he is our property, if we want to sell him to an EPL who can outbid Galata, we will, i we want to trade him with cash for Cavani, we will, it is not his decision to make, but ours.
2) It doesnt matter what you and i want. Melo is a tool that can be used, our property who already is ours, so he is considered ours, as a property ast least, before any talks start.
If we wanted a Nainggolan DM, we wouldnt sell Sissoko just this summer.
We only loaned Melo, so that we have the option to either cash on for a new purchase or get him back as back for this year where extra depth is needed. No need to panicked rushed moves again.
We already paid the money, now we will try to maximise their impact by trading and minor investing.
I believe major investment in the center of our midfield as a minor priorioty level, considering we have starter issues.
Investing on Pogba or Verratii now, may become doubly usefull, as we will now add extra depth and in the future we will pay less to replace Pirlo, so this could justify an investment.
Investing on Naiggolan now is a complete waste of capital that will affect our priority issues, not every line has starters like Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio
and for every line the season will be as long as it will be for our midfield...
I agree. In two seasons for Juve when Melo and Marchisio playe together. Melo > Marchisio. He had higher ratings and was a better player overall, defensive and offensive. But people go crazy when i say that because they judge this season where Marchisio has been a monster. I'd love Melo back, I just see that happening. Sad!
1) Don't underestimate the power a player and his agent have, a lot of them can take on their clubs if they want a decision. Look at Krasić refusing all other offers apart from Juventus who offered less money to CSKA two summers ago, if Felipe Melo really wants Gala he will probably go there, but who knows if he would want a move to the EPL or not? I hope they whore him out to richer clubs and find a better deal. Anyway, it's pretty certain that he will not be a part of this squad anymore, Conte had no problems in seeing him leave last season and he's said too much to ever become a Juventus player again. Would be astounded if he stayed.
2) The whole point was that I want a midfielder that the club can count on instead of someone that is so far away from ever returning. The club wouldn't have loaned Melo out with an option to buy if they wanted to keep him for another season. In the end this loan should have helped Juve out, it has surely raised his value to potential buyers, he's scored a lot of goals too. There isn't a need to rush.
Regarding the midfield, I disagree entirely. Leaving it like this would be an even bigger risk, even if young players like Marrone and Pogba are in the first team squad (it looks like Verratti will be at Pescara next season). Somehow, Conte has to get this team to maintain the Serie A form while battling in the Champions League (which will involve a lot of travelling, that will tire the players) and the Coppa. If the midfield is going to be playing with a similar intensity and energy, then somewhere they will need to be rested for a few games over the course of the season. It's important for this system, and how teams play nowadays. As I pointed out, potentially we could have ~50 games in the next year, which is a lot for players that are running around pressing possession (like Vidal). If we want everyone to be in good form for the end of the season, where titles could be decided, we're going to have to bring in someone with top level quality and experience. I'm not just referring to Nainggolan, Asamoah would also be a very good player to have in this squad. I don't see this quality in Padoin or Giaccherini, one is a very normal midfielder for a mid table side and the other has annoying problems with his end product.
Even if there are starter issues, which I agree are a priority, it's highly unlikely that all the budget will go towards a striker and left back. Look at the problems that Napoli had when playing in the Champions League this season, or the problems that Fiorentina had when they had their go in the Champions League a few years ago. They both suffered from poor form in Serie A because they didn't have the resources to create a larger squad that could cope, which is something this Juventus is currently able to do this summer.
2) The whole point was that I want a midfielder that the club can count on instead of someone that is so far away from ever returning. The club wouldn't have loaned Melo out with an option to buy if they wanted to keep him for another season. In the end this loan should have helped Juve out, it has surely raised his value to potential buyers, he's scored a lot of goals too. There isn't a need to rush.
Regarding the midfield, I disagree entirely. Leaving it like this would be an even bigger risk, even if young players like Marrone and Pogba are in the first team squad (it looks like Verratti will be at Pescara next season). Somehow, Conte has to get this team to maintain the Serie A form while battling in the Champions League (which will involve a lot of travelling, that will tire the players) and the Coppa. If the midfield is going to be playing with a similar intensity and energy, then somewhere they will need to be rested for a few games over the course of the season. It's important for this system, and how teams play nowadays. As I pointed out, potentially we could have ~50 games in the next year, which is a lot for players that are running around pressing possession (like Vidal). If we want everyone to be in good form for the end of the season, where titles could be decided, we're going to have to bring in someone with top level quality and experience. I'm not just referring to Nainggolan, Asamoah would also be a very good player to have in this squad. I don't see this quality in Padoin or Giaccherini, one is a very normal midfielder for a mid table side and the other has annoying problems with his end product.
Even if there are starter issues, which I agree are a priority, it's highly unlikely that all the budget will go towards a striker and left back. Look at the problems that Napoli had when playing in the Champions League this season, or the problems that Fiorentina had when they had their go in the Champions League a few years ago. They both suffered from poor form in Serie A because they didn't have the resources to create a larger squad that could cope, which is something this Juventus is currently able to do this summer.
Me literally saying that I know he was rated quite highly on here, as opposed to other places should have given you a tiny hint about that.
But in order to remove all possible doubts: yes, I was.
Ah yes, the biased, nationalistic (what you mean is racist though) Italian media.
This easily explains all the hate & underrating that was Vidal's part.
Except, of course, that didn't occur.
Ratings never are. Not yours, not mine, not the media's.
But you saying that it's an objective fact that Melo had higher ratings than Marchisio is a flat out lie. Whether you understand and admit or not.
First of all: you're always the main critic. Sadly, it's usually for no good reason whatsoever. I didn't want Melo either though. Not because of Melo himself but because of the insane amount & even more so because he was to replace a far more better suited player in C Zanetti.
And yeah, I know you were here.
Where was I you say:http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/19220-Claudio-Marchisio?p=3056042&viewfull=1#post3056042
I remember him saying he was great but his teammates sucked. Different people, different memories.
We don't have the option.
Juventus don't want Melo back & Melo doesn't want Juventus back.
What we are left with is an asset that has decreased immensely in terms of value. Hence, we need to get rid of the player asap. Either do it now for a third of what we paid (give or take) or do it later for even less.
Are you sure you want to include his infamous first season? You know, the one where he played as the retarded bastard child of Muntari & Boumsong?
Yeah, if you or Cronios mention it an additional 3 times, I'm fairly certain it will become a true, objective fact. It's not yet right now though.
And no, I don't hate Melo (in fact, he was one of the most sympathetic Juve players I ever had the chance of meeting). I just really, really don't want him on the team I support.
And I think this lengthy post earns me one of those fun "did not read" gifs as well
But in order to remove all possible doubts: yes, I was.
Ah yes, the biased, nationalistic (what you mean is racist though) Italian media.
This easily explains all the hate & underrating that was Vidal's part.
Except, of course, that didn't occur.
Ratings never are. Not yours, not mine, not the media's.
But you saying that it's an objective fact that Melo had higher ratings than Marchisio is a flat out lie. Whether you understand and admit or not.
First of all: you're always the main critic. Sadly, it's usually for no good reason whatsoever. I didn't want Melo either though. Not because of Melo himself but because of the insane amount & even more so because he was to replace a far more better suited player in C Zanetti.
And yeah, I know you were here.
Where was I you say:http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/19220-Claudio-Marchisio?p=3056042&viewfull=1#post3056042
I remember him saying he was great but his teammates sucked. Different people, different memories.
We don't have the option.
Juventus don't want Melo back & Melo doesn't want Juventus back.
What we are left with is an asset that has decreased immensely in terms of value. Hence, we need to get rid of the player asap. Either do it now for a third of what we paid (give or take) or do it later for even less.
Are you sure you want to include his infamous first season? You know, the one where he played as the retarded bastard child of Muntari & Boumsong?
Yeah, if you or Cronios mention it an additional 3 times, I'm fairly certain it will become a true, objective fact. It's not yet right now though.
And no, I don't hate Melo (in fact, he was one of the most sympathetic Juve players I ever had the chance of meeting). I just really, really don't want him on the team I support.
And I think this lengthy post earns me one of those fun "did not read" gifs as well
Me literally saying that I know he was rated quite highly on here, as opposed to other places should have given you a tiny hint about that.
But in order to remove all possible doubts: yes, I was.
Ah yes, the biased, nationalistic (what you mean is racist though) Italian media.
This easily explains all the hate & underrating that was Vidal's part.
Except, of course, that didn't occur.
Ratings never are. Not yours, not mine, not the media's.
But you saying that it's an objective fact that Melo had higher ratings than Marchisio is a flat out lie. Whether you understand and admit or not.
First of all: you're always the main critic. Sadly, it's usually for no good reason whatsoever. I didn't want Melo either though. Not because of Melo himself but because of the insane amount & even more so because he was to replace a far more better suited player in C Zanetti.
And yeah, I know you were here.
Where was I you say:http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/19220-Claudio-Marchisio?p=3056042&viewfull=1#post3056042
I remember him saying he was great but his teammates sucked. Different people, different memories.
We don't have the option.
Juventus don't want Melo back & Melo doesn't want Juventus back.
What we are left with is an asset that has decreased immensely in terms of value. Hence, we need to get rid of the player asap. Either do it now for a third of what we paid (give or take) or do it later for even less.
Are you sure you want to include his infamous first season? You know, the one where he played as the retarded bastard child of Muntari & Boumsong?
Yeah, if you or Cronios mention it an additional 3 times, I'm fairly certain it will become a true, objective fact. It's not yet right now though.
And no, I don't hate Melo (in fact, he was one of the most sympathetic Juve players I ever had the chance of meeting). I just really, really don't want him on the team I support.
And I think this lengthy post earns me one of those fun "did not read" gifs as well
But in order to remove all possible doubts: yes, I was.
Ah yes, the biased, nationalistic (what you mean is racist though) Italian media.
This easily explains all the hate & underrating that was Vidal's part.
Except, of course, that didn't occur.
Ratings never are. Not yours, not mine, not the media's.
But you saying that it's an objective fact that Melo had higher ratings than Marchisio is a flat out lie. Whether you understand and admit or not.
First of all: you're always the main critic. Sadly, it's usually for no good reason whatsoever. I didn't want Melo either though. Not because of Melo himself but because of the insane amount & even more so because he was to replace a far more better suited player in C Zanetti.
And yeah, I know you were here.
Where was I you say:http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/19220-Claudio-Marchisio?p=3056042&viewfull=1#post3056042
I remember him saying he was great but his teammates sucked. Different people, different memories.
We don't have the option.
Juventus don't want Melo back & Melo doesn't want Juventus back.
What we are left with is an asset that has decreased immensely in terms of value. Hence, we need to get rid of the player asap. Either do it now for a third of what we paid (give or take) or do it later for even less.
Are you sure you want to include his infamous first season? You know, the one where he played as the retarded bastard child of Muntari & Boumsong?
Yeah, if you or Cronios mention it an additional 3 times, I'm fairly certain it will become a true, objective fact. It's not yet right now though.
And no, I don't hate Melo (in fact, he was one of the most sympathetic Juve players I ever had the chance of meeting). I just really, really don't want him on the team I support.
And I think this lengthy post earns me one of those fun "did not read" gifs as well
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