Racism Makes You Stupid (2 Viewers)

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
It was a quite ingenious plot IMO.

Yes, it was a good plot, and Hitler was a very charismatic leader. That's beside the point though. He was a f$#@tart.

Martin, as a Pole, how do you feel about it all?

 

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[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

Martin, as a Pole, how do you feel about it all?

About what, if I may ask

Me --> Poland

 

[flieeeekke]

stalin did his job quite well too. soviet terror machine killed even more than nazis. but russians were winners of war, they helped to defeat hitler so no one paid any attention that they occupied independent countries and kept them for 50 years. sometimes it pisses me off that everyone is saying how terrible hitler was and don't notice the things soviets did.

sorry for this outburst.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
it was ingenious. but it was stupid nonetheless.

If you're a psycho I'm sure you'd love it, after all we're not discussing sane people here.

gray, about what?

 

[flieeeekke]

about the stuff nazis did to poles. they did the same to every country in that region. just poland has the biggest population so it was felt mostly in poland

 

[gray]

thanks V

 

[Martin]

In that case I find it to be a trivial question, isn't it pretty obvious how anyone would feel about it?

 

[flieeeekke]

lol, i'm not fli anymore
i should get something like superman logo, just with V in it

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
stalin did his job quite well too. soviet terror machine killed even more than nazis. but russians were winners of war, they helped to defeat hitler so no one paid any attention that they occupied independent countries and kept them for 50 years. sometimes it pisses me off that everyone is saying how terrible hitler was and don't notice the things soviets did.

sorry for this outburst.

I think it's all cause stalinism affected less countries, and rest of them or they dont know anything about that, or they dont want to know anythng or they dont care at all.
We had such real terror till 1956 - and that's all is not as famous for foreigners as Hitler's stuff.

 

[Dragon]

Yeah Hitler was a genious

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
In that case I find it to be a trivial question, isn't it pretty obvious how anyone would feel about it?

hmm i guess i wasn't asking about approval/disapproval or anything, i was just curious how it affected you personally and how passionately you feel about it.

It's like...most of my friend's Korean parents hate Japanese people, because they took over the country for a few decades, and killed and raped and tortured. But since our generation grew up in Australia, we don't feel as much about it as our parents would.

 

[Martin]

I'm not affected by it, my grandparents were. I've heard the stories told by them but it doesn't affect me much. I'm more inclined to be affected by the long years of Soviet regime Poland endured, as suggested earlier. Now that really left an impact on the nation.

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
I'm not affected by it, my grandparents were. I've heard the stories told by them but it doesn't affect me much. I'm more inclined to be affected by the long years of Soviet regime Poland endured, as suggested earlier. Now that really left an impact on the nation .

that's exactly what pisses me off. only jews seem to be afected by nazis now. soviets affected whole eastern europe. but no one seem to care. yes, nazis took more drastic measures than soviets but they left smaller infact.



THIS IS MY PERSONAL BIASED OPINION (just in case)

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++


hmm i guess i wasn't asking about approval/disapproval or anything, i was just curious how it affected you personally and how passionately you feel about it.

It's like...most of my friend's Korean parents hate Japanese people, because they took over the country for a few decades, and killed and raped and tortured. But since our generation grew up in Australia, we don't feel as much about it as our parents would.

That's what I thought about: approval/disapproval, cause then it's obviously that everyone disapprove that.

Over here: people rather dont hate Germans anymore.
People in my generation or in generation of my parents.
These days we are fine with them.

I'm fine with them, cause my grandparents never would let me to feel in other way. They were involved in the war, they were fighting against Germans (one of my grandfathers and one of my grandmothers) and even that they remember many horrible events, they taught us only to remember about the past, not to hate cause of that.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++


that's exactly what pisses me off. only jews seem to be afected by nazis now. soviets affected whole eastern europe. but no one seem to care. yes, nazis took more drastic measures than soviets but they left smaller infact.



THIS IS MY PERSONAL BIASED OPINION (just in case)

Soviets measures were less drastic?? :undecide:
they were different: not so spectacular and mass, but they affected people in horrible way.

It's like that book by Orwell: 1984, but deeper, real and worse.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++
that's exactly what pisses me off. only jews seem to be afected by nazis now. soviets affected whole eastern europe. but no one seem to care. yes, nazis took more drastic measures than soviets but they left smaller infact.

Cmon, Fli, you're a bright guy, put two and two together. Who controls most of the media that affects us (ok me)? The "West", right? And how was the "West" affected by Hitler? Quite significantly. How were they affected by the Soviets? Hardly at all, so why should they care? Everyone is looking out for their own interests, it's always been that way, I doubt a lot of people who are not familiar with the situation would be able to appreciate the significance of Soviet "influence" in Central Europe. And feel free to include me in that list, I only see the effects, I've no idea what it was like to live in that reality.

 

[flieeeekke]

situation in late 80s and in 50-70s was quite different. i dont know what was that reality like myself. but i do feel the effects. and that's what pisses me off. and what annoys even more is that russia again tries to affect politics of smaller countries. and world is not likely to mind that. it sucks to be lithuanian :groan:

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by vitoria_Ally ] ++
It's like that book by Orwell: 1984, but deeper, real and worse.

I studied that for yr 12 English

 

[vitoria_Ally]

And the clue is?

The book was boring or horrifying?

 

[Martin]

The book is brilliant, best one I've read.

Fli, yes.