Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah exalt him and grant him peace) mentioned in the Bible (14 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Right on.

 

[Hist]

Dude, start reading Ahmadi scripture. I don't know what sect your peers adhere to but it sounds out there

is your scripture different than sunni Islam? Do you have another version of the Quran?

If you are, then okay.. its another religion. If you are not, then you are probably following different interpretations. I have no idea how you can go around Quranic interpretations that are supported by Hadiths from the prophet himself.

Also, if you believe in the Quran + another new book then again, Quranic mistakes will haunt you.

I don't know which system you follow.
I have no knowledge of how Ahmadia work... they are considered infidels by sunni muslims because you believe in a new prophet after mohammed

 

[DelpieroForLife]

is your scripture different than sunni Islam? Do you have another version of the Quran?

If you are, then okay.. its another religion. If you are not, then you are probably following different interpretations. I have no idea how you can go around Quranic interpretations that are supported by Hadiths from the prophet himself.

Also, if you believe in the Quran + another new book then again, Quranic mistakes will haunt you.

I don't know which system you follow.
I have no knowledge of how Ahmadia work... they are considered infidels by sunni muslims because you believe in a new prophet after mohammed

What Quranic mistakes?

 

[Zé Tahir]

is your scripture different than sunni Islam? Do you have another version of the Quran?

If you are, then okay.. its another religion. If you are not, then you are probably following different interpretations. I have no idea how you can go around Quranic interpretations that are supported by Hadiths from the prophet himself.

Also, if you believe in the Quran + another new book then again, Quranic mistakes will haunt you.

I don't know which system you follow.
I have no knowledge of how Ahmadia work... they are considered infidels by sunni muslims because you believe in a new prophet after mohammed

Same Qur'an, same ahadith, same sunna, same everything. We differ in interpretation. Going around? Why would we go around?

No, there are no other books.

The fundamental differences between other Muslims and us is that we don't believe Jesus Christ died on the cross, nor was he replaced by a fake/look-a-like person nor did he ascend into the heavens. We believe he survived and traveled to Kashmir where he died a natural death. This is also the direction in which some of the lost tribes of Israel lived. The other major difference is that while other Muslims are waiting for the return of Jesus Christ himself we believe the 2nd coming has already come (not Jesus literally).

 

[Alen]

The fundamental differences between other Muslims and us is that we don't believe Jesus Christ died on the cross, nor was he replaced by a fake/look-a-like person nor did he ascend into the heavens. We believe he survived and traveled to Kashmir where he died a natural death. This is also the direction in which some of the lost tribes of Israel lived. The other major difference is that while other Muslims are waiting for the return of Jesus Christ himself we believe the 2nd coming has already come (not Jesus literally).

Very interesting.
Do you know what are these beliefs based on? And do you know if the other Muslims tried to prove You wrong and how did they do that?

I know that these are tough questions so np if you can't answer them right now. But still, even if you don't know the answers ask someone who does and then PM me the answers in the following days.

P.S: Please

 

[Osman]

Oblivion is like Christianity and Islam combined. It's not only retarded, boring, and not fun, but you also have one side of you that just wants to blow yourself up afterwards.

This should be on the cover of the game

 

[Osman]

Very interesting.
Do you know what are these beliefs based on? And do you know if the other Muslims tried to prove You wrong and how did they do that?

I know that these are tough questions so np if you can't answer them right now. But still, even if you don't know the answers ask someone who does and then PM me the answers in the following days.

P.S: Please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya

Its actually rather interesting read.

This part in particular I find interesting, how human nature works:

Soon after the death of the first Successor of Ghulam Ahmad, the movement split into two groups over the nature of Ghulam Ahmad’s prophethood and his succession. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believed that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had indeed been a “non-law-bearing” prophet and that mainstream Muslims who rejected his message were guilty of disbelief. The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, however, affirmed the traditional Islamic interpretation that there could be no new prophet after Muhammad and viewed itself as a reform movement within the broader Ummah.[12] The question of succession was also an issue in the split of the Ahmadiyya movement. The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement believed that an Anjuman (body of selected people) should be in charge of the community. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, however, maintained that Caliphs (successors of Ghulam Ahmad) should continue to take charge of the community and should be left with the overall authority.


This split is basically IDENTICAL mini split of Sunni and shia. I found that somewhat oddly funny, that 1200 years later after the differences of Sunni and Shia started, another group of muslims start their own different movement in that very religion, and have the exact same split (heridatary versus elected learned leaders).

 

[Zé Tahir]

Very interesting.
Do you know what are these beliefs based on? And do you know if the other Muslims tried to prove You wrong and how did they do that?

I know that these are tough questions so np if you can't answer them right now. But still, even if you don't know the answers ask someone who does and then PM me the answers in the following days.

P.S: Please

Here are two links that should answer your questions:

http://www.alislam.org/library/links/death_eesa.html

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

 

[Alen]

In Pakistan, parliament has declared Ahmadis to be non-Muslims. In 1974, the government of Pakistan amended its constitution to define a Muslim “as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad”. Due to this strong clash of beliefs, Ahmadis have been the target of many attacks led by various religious groups. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties.




So in Pakistan you can't call yourself a Muslim, Tahir?

 

[Osman]

Yeah that part was especially shocking. Even if I heard not allways so positive things from some hardheaded muslims about them, its absolutely bizzare and shocking that they are treated like that.

 

[swag]

This is a similar shade of what's legally going on in the UK right now in defining Jewishness.

 

[Zé Tahir]

In Pakistan, parliament has declared Ahmadis to be non-Muslims. In 1974, the government of Pakistan amended its constitution to define a Muslim “as a person who believes in the finality of the Prophet Muhammad”. Due to this strong clash of beliefs, Ahmadis have been the target of many attacks led by various religious groups. According to an ordinance issued in 1984, Ahmadis are forbidden to call themselves Muslims. This means that they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or call their places of worship mosques. Trespassing the ban is considered blasphemy and charges drastic penalties.




So in Pakistan you can't call yourself a Muslim, Tahir?

Correct. People have been harassed, jailed, and even killed. One of my mothers cousins was gunned down about 10 years ago because of his faith.

 

[Alen]

Correct. People have been harassed, jailed, and even killed. One of my mothers cousins was gunned down about 10 years ago because of his faith.

Disgusting

Why do you think they fear you?

 

[Dostoevsky]

That's weird, I never knew that.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Disgusting

Why do you think they fear you?

Other than the fact that we're seen as 'infidels' to them I don't know. It wasn't always like this though. There were always people against us but it didn't really get violent until Mullaism rose to power. They are the worst people on earth. Kudos to Ataturk for dealing with them in his country.

 

[Alen]

Other than the fact that we're seen as 'infidels' to them I don't know. It wasn't always like this though. There were always people against us but it didn't really get violent until Mullaism rose to power. They are the worst people on earth. Kudos to Ataturk for dealing with them in his country.

I don't think it's just because you're different. Does the same happen to the other minorities (no matter religious or ethnic minorities) in Pakistan?

To forbid you call yourselves Muslim and to harass, imprison and kill you......you must present some kind of danger to the political and religious leadership of your country. Losing their power to you one day in the future might be the reason for the fear

 

[Zé Tahir]

I don't think it's just because you're different. Does the same happen to the other minorities (no matter religious or ethnic minorities) in Pakistan?

To forbid you call yourselves Muslim and to harass, imprison and kill you......you must present some kind of danger to the political and religious leadership of your country. Losing their power to you one day in the future might be the reason for the fear

Yes, Christians are persecuted as well but because we call ourselves Muslim I think we annoy them the most. You can find minorities in the parliament but not Ahmadi's.

We definitely present a danger to the religious leadership because they're all corrupt bastards who do nothing but order fatwa's and give Islam a bad name.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I don't think it's just because you're different. Does the same happen to the other minorities (no matter religious or ethnic minorities) in Pakistan?

To forbid you call yourselves Muslim and to harass, imprison and kill you......you must present some kind of danger to the political and religious leadership of your country. Losing their power to you one day in the future might be the reason for the fear

it's not fear, rather lack of dialogue instead of putting effort into discussing differences(which happened before) it's "easier" to just quash an opinion held by a "weaker" minority.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Other than the fact that we're seen as 'infidels' to them I don't know. It wasn't always like this though. There were always people against us but it didn't really get violent until Mullaism rose to power. They are the worst people on earth. Kudos to Ataturk for dealing with them in his country.

respect your opinion but you obviously don't know anything about him.