Possible Ranieri replacements? (3 Viewers)

[Bozi]

Im talking about us here! since we got rid of Zidane and left that att midfield position opened and stuck 2 def mid instead of it weve have done asoloutely nothing in europe. Man Utd were lucky to get to the final and even luckier to beat chelsea after they struck the post and bar. what im saying is in europe we need to be a bit more expressing and not too predictable hoping that luck will favour us. when we played with zizou (ok i know zizou was world class) but i feared nobody and knew we would create a shed load of chances........these days were too predictable, get the ball down the wing oh Amauri's at the end of it again WITH A HEADER!!! we dont play like at the edge of the box like we used to, like Arsenal/Barca/Real. Also look how many man utd have in creativity in their midfield compared to our pack of defensive negatives.

yeah we never even got to a champions league final,didn't have the player of the tournament in nedved,didn't beat barca or real madrid yeah since we got rid of zidane we have been hopeless in europe

oh and would you say carrick,hargreaves and fletcher are more or less creative than poulsen,momo and zanetti?

 

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[The Arif]

Im talking about us here! since we got rid of Zidane and left that att midfield position opened and stuck 2 def mid instead of it weve have done asoloutely nothing in europe.

And what have we exactly done in Europe with Zidane? We reached two finals, but never won it.

 

[Firestarter]

Two finals is better is the next best thing other than winning it

 

[Gep]

And what have we exactly done in Europe with Zidane? We reached two finals, but never won it.

Stop being a fucking cock and listen to what im trying to say! with our att midfielder in zidane we were fearless! we got to nearly 4 champions league finals in a row(not all with zidane).....ok we only won one of them.

 

[Gep]

yeah we never even got to a champions league final,didn't have the player of the tournament in nedved,didn't beat barca or real madrid yeah since we got rid of zidane we have been hopeless in europe

oh and would you say carrick,hargreaves and fletcher are more or less creative than poulsen,momo and zanetti?

Im using zidane as a example. Nedved was never a man sitting behind the strikers! Hate you fucking non italian juve fans..twats! fuck off and support your own fucking shit! you all talk a good game. Why dont you go support your raith rovers or whatever it is you have. no wonder you all come here to support Juve cos you own league is just so shit! Fuck off.

 

[Alen]

umpkin:

Kindly accept this ban from a non-Italian Juve supporting twat.

 

[Osman]

Is this degenerate porn addict even italian himself?

 

[Vinman]

umpkin:

Kindly accept this ban from a non-Italian Juve supporting twat.

ok, he was a bit over the top, but did he really deserve a ban ??

what makes it look worse is that he was in a debate with a mod......

 

[v1rtu4l]

Is this degenerate porn addict even italian himself?

italien at most...

 

[Alen]

ok, he was a bit over the top, but did he really deserve a ban ??

what makes it look worse is that he was in a debate with a mod......

Hate you fucking non italian juve fans..twats! fuck off and support your own fucking shit! fuck off

Since 99.9% of us here aren't Italian, he insulted all of us and more importantly, he would have provoked a lot of replies which would've eventually led to an off-topic discussion with a lot of cursing and foul language and many more infractions flying around.

His ban is meant to prevent all that and i didn't give him a lenghty ban anyway.

 

[Vinman]

Hate you fucking non italian juve fans..twats! fuck off and support your own fucking shit! fuck off

Since 99.9% of us here aren't Italian, he insulted all of us and more importantly, he would have provoked a lot of replies which would've eventually led to an off-topic discussion with a lot of cursing and foul language and many more infractions flying around.

His ban is meant to prevent all that and i didn't give him a lenghty ban anyway.

fair enough :malt:

 

[Bjerknes]

Even though I agree with the point that in some ways we miss a Zidane, that banned moron misses him for all the wrong reasons. We miss him due to his sheer genius with the ball, not because we were more "fearless" when he was on the pitch.

I think somebody said that we cannot field a playmaker because we don't have good enough players to place around him at the moment. How on earth does that work? When we had Zidane running the show just a few years ago, he had Zambrotta and Pessotto around him on the wings, Tacchinardi and Davids behind him, and Del Piero and Inzaghi in front of him. How is that any better than Camoranesi, Nedved, Sissoko, Poulson, Del Piero and Amauri? That doesn't make any sense.

In fact, I'd say we have stronger base to surround that playmaker at the moment, with Sissoko holding down the midfield and Camoranesi able to run the right side of the pitch like he did under Lippi's last years. It was that diamond formation in midfield with Nedved behind the strikers that, on average, brought us the best results in Serie A and Europe combined over the past 8 years. So to say we do not have the supporting players to field a Diego is just wrong IMO.

 

[only-juve]

Even though I agree with the point that in some ways we miss a Zidane, that banned moron misses him for all the wrong reasons. We miss him due to his sheer genius with the ball, not because we were more "fearless" when he was on the pitch.

I think somebody said that we cannot field a playmaker because we don't have good enough players to place around him at the moment. How on earth does that work? When we had Zidane running the show just a few years ago, he had Zambrotta and Pessotto around him on the wings, Tacchinardi and Davids behind him, and Del Piero and Inzaghi in front of him. How is that any better than Camoranesi, Nedved, Sissoko, Poulson, Del Piero and Amauri? That doesn't make any sense.

In fact, I'd say we have stronger base to surround that playmaker at the moment, with Sissoko holding down the midfield and Camoranesi able to run the right side of the pitch like he did under Lippi's last years. It was that diamond formation in midfield with Nedved behind the strikers that, on average, brought us the best results in Serie A and Europe combined over the past 8 years. So to say we do not have the supporting players to field a Diego is just wrong IMO.

Good point there........

 

[Bozi]

Even though I agree with the point that in some ways we miss a Zidane, that banned moron misses him for all the wrong reasons. We miss him due to his sheer genius with the ball, not because we were more "fearless" when he was on the pitch.

I think somebody said that we cannot field a playmaker because we don't have good enough players to place around him at the moment. How on earth does that work? When we had Zidane running the show just a few years ago, he had Zambrotta and Pessotto around him on the wings, Tacchinardi and Davids behind him, and Del Piero and Inzaghi in front of him. How is that any better than Camoranesi, Nedved, Sissoko, Poulson, Del Piero and Amauri? That doesn't make any sense.

In fact, I'd say we have stronger base to surround that playmaker at the moment, with Sissoko holding down the midfield and Camoranesi able to run the right side of the pitch like he did under Lippi's last years. It was that diamond formation in midfield with Nedved behind the strikers that, on average, brought us the best results in Serie A and Europe combined over the past 8 years. So to say we do not have the supporting players to field a Diego is just wrong IMO.

ok, give you that but like i said before,when you have a playmaker who is supposed to dictate the play it becomes a lot easier to shut a team down. we were over-reliant on zidane for far too long and i think we can all agree that when we sold him we became a much more complete team. the problem is that we have a squad that is lacking in creativity right now which is why a playmaker is so desirable.
but
we are a very solid unit, hard to break down and part of the reason that the Cb pairing have been getting so much praise is due to the fact that they are well protected. the WB are more defensively minded than attacking, the 2 sitting midfielders are strong and dynamic and the wide players are as comfortable tracking back as they are going forward. by taking away one of the 2 DM's we will lose some of that steel down the middle,yes we may be more versatile going forward but we will almost certainly be more exposed at the back.
now i know that our style of play is not always the most appealing to watch but at the end of the day we are playing winning football and changing a winning team and formation is always a major risk. while i would love for us to play more attractive football i am happy we are winning and challenging while not always entertaining. for me getting in a wide player or two and a new pair of WB's is far more important than changing the system to become more reliant on one playmaker

 

[Bozi]

oh and by the way gep was foolish but i can think of better ways to handle him

 

[v1rtu4l]

oh and by the way gep was foolish but i can think of better ways to handle him

i had the same thought, but where do you get that mega-size strap on dildos to do that ?

 

[Vinman]

i had the same thought, but where do you get that mega-size strap on dildos to do that ?

obviously, you've been a victim in the past......

 

[Bozi]

ok, he was a bit over the top, but did he really deserve a ban ??

what makes it look worse is that he was in a debate with a mod......

easy there vinman, i wouldn't say he was arguing with a mod. i would say he posted some outlandish theory, i blew it out the water and he retorted with a foul mouthed tirade. if that had been anybody else then he would have been banned anyway

 

[Firestarter]

obviously, you've been a victim in the past......

 

[Bjerknes]

ok, give you that but like i said before,when you have a playmaker who is supposed to dictate the play it becomes a lot easier to shut a team down. we were over-reliant on zidane for far too long and i think we can all agree that when we sold him we became a much more complete team. the problem is that we have a squad that is lacking in creativity right now which is why a playmaker is so desirable.
but
we are a very solid unit, hard to break down and part of the reason that the Cb pairing have been getting so much praise is due to the fact that they are well protected. the WB are more defensively minded than attacking, the 2 sitting midfielders are strong and dynamic and the wide players are as comfortable tracking back as they are going forward. by taking away one of the 2 DM's we will lose some of that steel down the middle,yes we may be more versatile going forward but we will almost certainly be more exposed at the back.
now i know that our style of play is not always the most appealing to watch but at the end of the day we are playing winning football and changing a winning team and formation is always a major risk. while i would love for us to play more attractive football i am happy we are winning and challenging while not always entertaining. for me getting in a wide player or two and a new pair of WB's is far more important than changing the system to become more reliant on one playmaker

Again, it's not about playing more attractive football to me. People seem to get confused a lot. Instead, I care more about making sense with the ball when we have it and making the passes through midfield that opens up defenses. Just one player could do that.

Moreover, I'm not even demanding we take out a DM. With a playmaker such as Diego, we could have Sissoko and Zanetti in there to act like the Davids/Tacchinardi midfield, just with better passing. The system doesn't really change that much to be honest, with one of the DM's staying back a little further to accommodate the playmaker.

Since the "Champions League" began in 1992, every single winner had at least one player in central midfield who could pull the strings and be the "quarterback" with the ball.

Barcelona - Guardiola and Stoichkov
AC Milan - Rijkaard
AC Milan - Savicevic/Abertini
Ajax - Litmanen and Seedorf
Juventus - Sousa and Deschamps
Borussia Dortmund - Andreas Moller
Real Madrid - Redondo
Manchester United - Keane and Scholes
Real Madrid - Redondo and Seedorf
Bayern Munich - Scholl and Effenberg
Real Madrid - Zidane
AC Milan - Kaka/Rui Costa and Pirlo
FC Porto - Deco
Liverpool - Xabi Alonso and Gerrard
Barcelona - Xavi, Ronaldinho, et cetera
Milan - Kaka and Pirlo

As one can see, over the past decade it's really been the teams with creative players who have won the Champions League, but thankfully we did win it with the trident in 1996. But the trend still stands.

Our unit is indeed solid and compact, and it's good for Serie A. But we'll see if it's good for Europe.