Pope John Paul II in grave condition (40 Viewers)
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Well then if my conclusions were based on comments taken out of context, perhaps you would like to elaborate on this statement in a way that directly contradicts my conclusion because I do not see it as ambiguous:
Attack is the best form of defence, is it? I did not make those statements and hence I do not feel obliged to support them. I agreed with you on this already.
Probably the most directly disrespectful comment, this is where I got the funeral analogy.
Just getting better now, isn't it? 
Attack is the best form of defence, is it? I did not make those statements and hence I do not feel obliged to support them. I agreed with you on this already.
Probably the most directly disrespectful comment, this is where I got the funeral analogy.
++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
BTW, nice pun in the title
BTW, nice pun in the title
I was counting down the minutes until this was thrown in my face and you are right on time. I won't bother replying to it because it circles around my personal stance on religion and that's a rather big issue. Nor is this the place for it. But thank you nonetheless for keeping consistent while playing the role of protector of free speech in the most random contexts on this forum.
Right and I suppose if you were to appear on CNN in 1963 right after the JFK assassination and argue that JFK was just a regular Joe and you could care less about his death, that wouldn't be at all disrespectful to all the people who held him in high regard, would it? Not at all undermining them? I already quoted Zlatan's post as exhibit B and gave you the funeral analogy, there's really nothing more to explain, if you don't understand it from that, that's just too bad.
No that's incorrect. When someone opens a thread about how great Del Piero is, it's entirely possible that his intention was to attract others of the same mind to create a club as opposed to replay of the DP vs Baggio epic. This is a community where people keep showing up to spend time with each other, it is nowhere stated that every thread is always for the purpose of intense debate, just as often people just want to relax and spend time among people they enjoy debating with. It is understood that just about anyone who has been active on a forum for over a month would recognize this thread for what it is in the tone that it was started.
As it happens, I've seen similar threads myself today in a fairly sizeable forum (80k users) and it basically degenerated into a flamewar thanks to members desperately wanting to express their lack of respect.
At its core, any discussion can be had with any two points of view as long as the parties are committed to mutual respect. This is so basic and obvious that I shouldn't have to tell you this, just because on some other forum people were able to debate in a civil manner from different points of view doesn't make it a rule that it's always so.
Well then perhaps you should engage those people instead of making this a rebuttal to me. I did not express myself in that manner as I do not share that view.
Quite. And since you are well aware of my stand on this because I've expressed it numerous times, I shall decline to repeat it.
If the latin was for my benefit then I'm afraid it was a wasted effort as I do not read latin.
Right and I suppose if you were to appear on CNN in 1963 right after the JFK assassination and argue that JFK was just a regular Joe and you could care less about his death, that wouldn't be at all disrespectful to all the people who held him in high regard, would it? Not at all undermining them? I already quoted Zlatan's post as exhibit B and gave you the funeral analogy, there's really nothing more to explain, if you don't understand it from that, that's just too bad.
No that's incorrect. When someone opens a thread about how great Del Piero is, it's entirely possible that his intention was to attract others of the same mind to create a club as opposed to replay of the DP vs Baggio epic. This is a community where people keep showing up to spend time with each other, it is nowhere stated that every thread is always for the purpose of intense debate, just as often people just want to relax and spend time among people they enjoy debating with. It is understood that just about anyone who has been active on a forum for over a month would recognize this thread for what it is in the tone that it was started.
As it happens, I've seen similar threads myself today in a fairly sizeable forum (80k users) and it basically degenerated into a flamewar thanks to members desperately wanting to express their lack of respect.
At its core, any discussion can be had with any two points of view as long as the parties are committed to mutual respect. This is so basic and obvious that I shouldn't have to tell you this, just because on some other forum people were able to debate in a civil manner from different points of view doesn't make it a rule that it's always so.
Well then perhaps you should engage those people instead of making this a rebuttal to me. I did not express myself in that manner as I do not share that view.
Quite. And since you are well aware of my stand on this because I've expressed it numerous times, I shall decline to repeat it.
If the latin was for my benefit then I'm afraid it was a wasted effort as I do not read latin.
It wasnt thrown in your face at all... You along with others said i didnt care etc... so I pointed out a fact.
You dont know what i beleive... Ive never really discussed it... so dont make judgements when you have no clue.
You dont want to discuss your views.. Thats fine but dont make statements about mine if you wont discuss yours,, simple
Not a problem
Irrelevant
What his intention is and what the actuality is, are very different things... If people are stupid enough to beleive that is how it will go... More fool them
Irrelevant
Well thats fine.. jus not my experience today... I expect we look at very different types of forum...Im not saying I havent seen arguments today... but they werent from those comments they were much later
Well thats about the type of members of said forum... You shouldnt have to make allowances for people that cant talk normally without insults... Its their problem.
Its not a rebutal to you... That was relevant to the post... noot about you
Actually I have no idea of your stand point on that... maybe i missed it.
The reason that was brought up was purely that you were the one that stated your offence at this thread yet as president of this forum I dont see you taking a stand on those long running issues yet you deam a minor transgression here to be worthy of your disgust
Unfortunately not many do...
That wasnt aimed at you at all... as such there was a gap between the body of the post and the 2 latin peices. Maybe i needed a bigger gap.
They are actually 2 common prayers used in services around the world... One for the pope and one for the dead
You dont know what i beleive... Ive never really discussed it... so dont make judgements when you have no clue.
You dont want to discuss your views.. Thats fine but dont make statements about mine if you wont discuss yours,, simple
Not a problem
Irrelevant
What his intention is and what the actuality is, are very different things... If people are stupid enough to beleive that is how it will go... More fool them
Irrelevant
Well thats fine.. jus not my experience today... I expect we look at very different types of forum...Im not saying I havent seen arguments today... but they werent from those comments they were much later
Well thats about the type of members of said forum... You shouldnt have to make allowances for people that cant talk normally without insults... Its their problem.
Its not a rebutal to you... That was relevant to the post... noot about you
Actually I have no idea of your stand point on that... maybe i missed it.
The reason that was brought up was purely that you were the one that stated your offence at this thread yet as president of this forum I dont see you taking a stand on those long running issues yet you deam a minor transgression here to be worthy of your disgust
Unfortunately not many do...
That wasnt aimed at you at all... as such there was a gap between the body of the post and the 2 latin peices. Maybe i needed a bigger gap.
They are actually 2 common prayers used in services around the world... One for the pope and one for the dead
If you choose to render the core point of the discussion irrelevant, then there's nothing to discuss. Interesting tactic btw. I'm not interested in making this an excercise in formal logic just to battle it out.
I never did, the only reason we're talking is that I commented on something Tom said and you happened to support him by responding to my response to his original post.
Then I shall have to suggest your memory doesn't serve you well. No later did I comment on forum policy enforcement than a few weeks ago when we discussed Claire's ban from the forum.
I enjoyed singing psalms in latin as a kid, though without much understanding of them. The language isn't used much outside well theology and botany as far as I'm aware.
I never did, the only reason we're talking is that I commented on something Tom said and you happened to support him by responding to my response to his original post.
Then I shall have to suggest your memory doesn't serve you well. No later did I comment on forum policy enforcement than a few weeks ago when we discussed Claire's ban from the forum.
I enjoyed singing psalms in latin as a kid, though without much understanding of them. The language isn't used much outside well theology and botany as far as I'm aware.
Not anywhere near the core of the discussion in my view... And no not a tactic jus a response to a similar angle from yourself... But thats ok
I actually responded to a piece where you quoted me
Personally I dont see where your post in that thread really covers those issues... Bits but not a real policy, nor did it answer the question
Thats Nice
I actually responded to a piece where you quoted me
Personally I dont see where your post in that thread really covers those issues... Bits but not a real policy, nor did it answer the question
Thats Nice