Philippe "L'ENCULÉ" Mexes - CB - Roma (2 Viewers)

[The Curr]

Not much better.

Chiellini and Cannavaro suffered from Juve trying to play in a more open fashion.

Under Ranieri, Juve squeezed the play and had Sissoko charging around midfield, which meant they had much better protection.

We didn't really squeeze play that well. At least not all of the time. We often played a high line but didn't really close down the opposition properly, which is a recipe for disaster. I've seen it repeated too many times in the League of Ireland.

 

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I think he meant against the big teams.

 

[Red]

We didn't really squeeze play that well. At least not all of the time. We often played a high line but didn't really close down the opposition properly, which is a recipe for disaster. I've seen it repeated too many times in the League of Ireland.

Juve squeezed the game really well that season, up to round about the time of the home game against Chievo, when it all started to go horribly wrong.

 

[The Curr]

Juve squeezed the game really well that season, up to round about the time of the home game against Chievo, when it all started to go horribly wrong.

That Chievo game was a complete nightmare. Everyone could see what was going so dramatically wrong but little or nothing was done to fix it.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

You reckon?

I want someone calm, sensible and with some footballing ability to partner Chiellini.

Mexes has some footballing ability, but I don't see that he fits the other requirements.

Mexes is also prone to being rash and too aggressive, just the same as Chillini is.

In fact, Mexes has played the role of partner to the leader of the defence (with both Chivu and Juan), rather than being the leader and organiser Juve need.

In fact, now I think about, it really wouldn't be hard for someone to convince me that Mexes would be bought to replace Chiellini, rather than partner him.

The thing is, Chiellini is not too rash or aggressive. He can be the leader of the defence and probably will be, as he will finally be the most senior and experienced (Mecksays doesn't count because he's an immature brat). The only thing Chiellini lacks is the ability to pass the ball out of defence and ugly prettyboy Frenchie has that.

 

[CAPITANO]

inter want him

 

[Ahmed]

and there it is.

close this thread.

 

[Toro_Merda]

This is just tactic, they always use. Fake interest for our targets, so prices go high and players get confused. Cunts!

 

[Red]

The thing is, Chiellini is not too rash or aggressive. He can be the leader of the defence and probably will be, as he will finally be the most senior and experienced (Mecksays doesn't count because he's an immature brat). The only thing Chiellini lacks is the ability to pass the ball out of defence and ugly prettyboy Frenchie has that.

Even if, for arguments sake, I agree that Chiellini isn't too aggressive, that doesn't solve the problem.

The best CB pairings have one CB who wants to move forward and attack the ball, and one player who wants to drop off and act as sweeper.

Both Chiellini and Mexes want to go forward attack the ball, which can lead to imbalance.

And 99% of the time, the guys who are good at organising and controlling a back line are the sweeper types because it is easier to see the pitch properly from there.

If you have two really great defenders who are similar, they will find a way to work together, but I don't consider either Chiellini or Mexes to be particularly intelligent footballers.

 

[Albertmare]

Our alternative could be Lugano

 

[Red]

Lugano's style would be more suitable, even if I don't think he is brilliant.

 

[da_ledgeaun]

its definitely not easy to find a reliable intelligent center back nowadays..i would say carvalho,lugano looked tidy in the world cup for me..i just hope bonucci can be a great partner for chiello..we will still need 1 more centre back to be back up of chiellini,i dont think mexes would take the bench though

 

[torricelli_juve]

I would prefer Godin

 

[Toro_Merda]

Our alternative could be Lugano

The guy is a card magnet!

 

[MbSol]

Even if, for arguments sake, I agree that Chiellini isn't too aggressive, that doesn't solve the problem.

The best CB pairings have one CB who wants to move forward and attack the ball, and one player who wants to drop off and act as sweeper.

Both Chiellini and Mexes want to go forward attack the ball, which can lead to imbalance.

And 99% of the time, the guys who are good at organising and controlling a back line are the sweeper types because it is easier to see the pitch properly from there.

If you have two really great defenders who are similar, they will find a way to work together, but I don't consider either Chiellini or Mexes to be particularly intelligent footballers.

Well said.

This is also the reason why every great-legendary pairing of CB's is a combination of Libero-Stopper (Scirea-Gentile, Baresi-Maldini/Costacurta/Ferri, Montero-Ferrara, Nesta-Cannavaro).

That's why I'm a bit dissapointed with Bonucci signing. Not necessarily because he's bad (although I'm not rate him that much). It's just that I'd rather we bet on Ranocchia, because not only he's a sweeper, but also IMO have a bigger margin of improvement than Bonucci's, and perhaps, cheaper.

The other option is Zapata (judging from his playing time last season, I think he's finally overcome his niggling injuries). That said, this one is going to be difficult since Pozzo has already loaned another of his CB, Coda to Bari.

Realistically, who do you suggest?

Oh, Lugano is good but I don't think Marotta would be prepared to pay his big wage. Either way, I'd pass him.

 

[Red]

Well said.

This is also the reason why every great-legendary pairing of CB's is a combination of Libero-Stopper (Scirea-Gentile, Baresi-Maldini/Costacurta/Ferri, Montero-Ferrara, Nesta-Cannavaro).

That's why I'm a bit dissapointed with Bonucci signing. Not necessarily because he's bad (although I'm not rate him that much). It's just that I'd rather we bet on Ranocchia, because not only he's a sweeper, but also IMO have a bigger margin of improvement than Bonucci's, and perhaps, cheaper.

The other option is Zapata (judging from his playing time last season, I think he's finally overcome his niggling injuries). That said, this one is going to be difficult since Pozzo has already loaned another of his CB, Coda to Bari.

Realistically, who do you suggest?

I really don't know. The sweeper type CB seems to be a dying breed.

In some ways I think Juve have taken the best option by buying a young guy like Bonucci who they will try to mould into being a good partner for Chiellini, because there are so few proven guys who would be realistic options.

 

[Albertmare]

The guy is a card magnet!

Good thing or bad thing ?

 

[Toro_Merda]

Good thing or bad thing ?

He is risky, thats all. Anyway, a solid and experienced defender, imo

 

[Bjerknes]

Even if, for arguments sake, I agree that Chiellini isn't too aggressive, that doesn't solve the problem.

The best CB pairings have one CB who wants to move forward and attack the ball, and one player who wants to drop off and act as sweeper.

Both Chiellini and Mexes want to go forward attack the ball, which can lead to imbalance.

And 99% of the time, the guys who are good at organising and controlling a back line are the sweeper types because it is easier to see the pitch properly from there.

If you have two really great defenders who are similar, they will find a way to work together, but I don't consider either Chiellini or Mexes to be particularly intelligent footballers.

Mexes can play deeper. The reason why he could be a good partner for Chiellini is because he isn't poor with the ball -- he doesn't needlessly blast it up pitch like our other defenders over the years. I would like to have someone intelligent with the ball at the back, which is why I wanted Marquez here a few years ago, but it's too late for him.

 

[A_LAcki]

Agree Andy. Piquet yesterday against Germany was brilliant. He was passing balls from the back like a playmaker!