[Peace Cup] JUVENTUS 0-0 (3-4) Aston Villa, August 2nd 2009 (1 Viewer)
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I was thinking the same
when we had a team that was barely able to create our attackers took full advantage of it and were very effective
now that we have a team that can create most evidently at the Juve-Villa match our strikers had trouble hitting the ball to the net
I hope it is just coincidence but it is kinda weird
when we had a team that was barely able to create our attackers took full advantage of it and were very effective
now that we have a team that can create most evidently at the Juve-Villa match our strikers had trouble hitting the ball to the net
I hope it is just coincidence but it is kinda weird
No, i'm sure that's not the case.
Being so effective with less service shows nothing else but quality. And when having such quality you can do even better when there is more service.
I know what you're asking here. You wonder if our attackers will lose from their effectivness, now when the ball will be played more on the ground and when they'll have to move more and be part of the build up.
But i doubt it will be the case. One of our attackers will still be able to play old-style Juve, because Del Piero, Diego, Camo etc are enough to do the rest of the job and distribute the ball to the target man.
As you could see even on this tournament, our strikers are still good enough to do what was one of our main qualities in the last two years, scoring from set pieces, after crosses.
It's a little premature to say (as Orgut here did) that our strikers have problems hitting the ball to the net. I mean, it was only one single match against Villa yesterday when that happened, and even here we created more than enough chances. The same kind of chances we used to create in the last two years.
It was just a coincidence that Trez and Iaquinta couldn't bury those chances. It was a bad day. It had nothing to do with the tactics.
Being so effective with less service shows nothing else but quality. And when having such quality you can do even better when there is more service.
I know what you're asking here. You wonder if our attackers will lose from their effectivness, now when the ball will be played more on the ground and when they'll have to move more and be part of the build up.
But i doubt it will be the case. One of our attackers will still be able to play old-style Juve, because Del Piero, Diego, Camo etc are enough to do the rest of the job and distribute the ball to the target man.
As you could see even on this tournament, our strikers are still good enough to do what was one of our main qualities in the last two years, scoring from set pieces, after crosses.
It's a little premature to say (as Orgut here did) that our strikers have problems hitting the ball to the net. I mean, it was only one single match against Villa yesterday when that happened, and even here we created more than enough chances. The same kind of chances we used to create in the last two years.
It was just a coincidence that Trez and Iaquinta couldn't bury those chances. It was a bad day. It had nothing to do with the tactics.
I think its a question of timing due to the different styles, I understand what Jack means even if one shouldnt draw drastic conclusions. They had a bad day in scoring, that in itself isnt due to the system. But what might be is, if the attackers are used to quick breaks, and I mean really quick ones like we were used under Ranieri, were we barely had the ball in midfield, and countered with long balls or quick through balls in matters of seconds (if it didnt, work, let the opposition have the ball, and do it all over again).
In this kinda scenario, the attackers would mainly get the ball on their first or 2nd off the ball movements (not exactly, but mean get the ball or pass quickly, fail or success) and runs behind the defence, or in the box. Now in with this more patient possession based football, they might not get the ball with their first or 2nd runs, and have to adjust and wait, find new positions and so on, and also get involved in the build up. Its more creative, but more patient, not just pass or cross at the first sign of the strikers moving, and requires of them to constantly try to re-position themselves off the ball (Trez in particular was very confused with this, Iaquinta bit better at it, but constantly had to move around when the midfield are calmly passing around).
Dont want to draw too much of conclusions either, and they will adjust quickly enough prolly, but this is the main difference I noticed, not them being less or more effective, but that they will adjust when they are used to quick counters of 3-4 passes or a simple basic go the wing and cross to them immediately. This midfield wont just hoof or pass the ball at first opportunity possible, so requires more patient movement from them a bit.
In this kinda scenario, the attackers would mainly get the ball on their first or 2nd off the ball movements (not exactly, but mean get the ball or pass quickly, fail or success) and runs behind the defence, or in the box. Now in with this more patient possession based football, they might not get the ball with their first or 2nd runs, and have to adjust and wait, find new positions and so on, and also get involved in the build up. Its more creative, but more patient, not just pass or cross at the first sign of the strikers moving, and requires of them to constantly try to re-position themselves off the ball (Trez in particular was very confused with this, Iaquinta bit better at it, but constantly had to move around when the midfield are calmly passing around).
Dont want to draw too much of conclusions either, and they will adjust quickly enough prolly, but this is the main difference I noticed, not them being less or more effective, but that they will adjust when they are used to quick counters of 3-4 passes or a simple basic go the wing and cross to them immediately. This midfield wont just hoof or pass the ball at first opportunity possible, so requires more patient movement from them a bit.
That's exactly what I meant and I didn't base my question on last night's match nor was I drawing conclusions. I just wandered if different positioning and movement might affect them. And I am not under-estimating the abilities our forwards have but how good are they in adapting to the new style? Personally I think if someone, more than others, would be affected negatively by this it would be Amauri.
Why Amauri? Because I don't think he was ever playing such an approach in his top level experiences.
Why Amauri? Because I don't think he was ever playing such an approach in his top level experiences.
Nice to hear that Trez confirmed his position at the club after the match, and made it clear to both Ciro, as well as the team, that he is fully committed to the club for the following season.
I'm sure it made a huge difference for him that Ciro allowed him to play the extended minutes against Villa, despite the fact that he clearly wasn't on top of his game.
With his head in the right place, Trez can attack his conditioning, as well as his adjustment to the new system. Can't wait for the season to start!
I'm sure it made a huge difference for him that Ciro allowed him to play the extended minutes against Villa, despite the fact that he clearly wasn't on top of his game.
With his head in the right place, Trez can attack his conditioning, as well as his adjustment to the new system. Can't wait for the season to start!
I think thats the number one question everybody should be asking. Sissoko has only played in 4 4 2 formation, never in a 3 man midfield. Hopefully the new tactics will not effect his abilities. 
Dam right it was probably Psychological. you see Iaquinta when he was about to take his penalty. the guy was shitting it already like he already had his mind made up that the goalkeeper was going to block his shot.
Dam right it was probably Psychological. you see Iaquinta when he was about to take his penalty. the guy was shitting it already like he already had his mind made up that the goalkeeper was going to block his shot.
