once in 25 years lol
if we're the reason he retires without winning it again... it would be magic...
if we're the reason he retires without winning it again... it would be magic...
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Nedved also helped lead Lazio to a UEFA Cup Winner's Cup, and a UEFA Super Cup, alongside the Serie A title and Two Coppa Italias. Lazio won the double (Serie A and Coppa Italia) in 2000. So in 5 years at mid-level club like Lazio, Nedved won more trophies than Totti has in his entire career at Roma. Add what he won at Juventus, including the Ballon D'Or and how he performed in Europe and it's not even close. Nedved is miles above Totti.
Internationally. Nedved has 18 goals for the Czech Republic to Totti's 9 for Italy. Totti's highlight of his international career was converting a dubious penalty against Australia in 06. Aside from that, his goals for Italy have been against minnow clubs, and none in the knockout stages of a major tournament. The guy chokes when the lights are bright.
Internationally. Nedved has 18 goals for the Czech Republic to Totti's 9 for Italy. Totti's highlight of his international career was converting a dubious penalty against Australia in 06. Aside from that, his goals for Italy have been against minnow clubs, and none in the knockout stages of a major tournament. The guy chokes when the lights are bright.
Bring one single argument for Totti ever winning a Ballon D'Or in any year of his career?
Now, tell me who was more deserving of the Ballon D'Or in 2003 than Nedved?
Totti has been a failure for Roma in Champion's League and Europa League for that matter. His European stats are padded by the year he scored 10 goals in 4 Europa League qualifying matches against the most pathetic teams in Europe.
He's also been a failure for the Italian NT for much of his career.
Now, tell me who was more deserving of the Ballon D'Or in 2003 than Nedved?
Totti has been a failure for Roma in Champion's League and Europa League for that matter. His European stats are padded by the year he scored 10 goals in 4 Europa League qualifying matches against the most pathetic teams in Europe.
He's also been a failure for the Italian NT for much of his career.
He's a great player. Anyone who would say otherwise is crazy. And he's certainly on the same level of Nedved and perhaps Del Piero in terms of talent and skill and individual achievements. The level being that just below all-time greats like Platini, Ronaldo, Beckenbauer, Maldini, Van Basten, Romario, Maradona, Pele, Zoff, and so on.
So the only way to separate such players on a similar level, if one has the desire to do so, is with what they achieved with their teams. And Nedved and Del Piero certainly achieved far more. Perhaps Totti is just like Di Natale and would have failed miserably at a big club? Perhaps he would have succeeded. He chose not to take on that challenge, so we'll never know. But this puts him slightly below players like Nedved and DP in my eyes.
So the only way to separate such players on a similar level, if one has the desire to do so, is with what they achieved with their teams. And Nedved and Del Piero certainly achieved far more. Perhaps Totti is just like Di Natale and would have failed miserably at a big club? Perhaps he would have succeeded. He chose not to take on that challenge, so we'll never know. But this puts him slightly below players like Nedved and DP in my eyes.
So what should we bring up?
I am tired of excuses like "Totti choose to stay at Roma so he won less", who can be sure that he would not flop at bigger stage with much more competition? Nedved and Del Piero also refuse to go and chose Serie B and Serie A with Iaquintas and Grygera's, wasting years of their careers while they could have gone to, at that time, much stronger clubs.
I am tired of excuses like "Totti choose to stay at Roma so he won less", who can be sure that he would not flop at bigger stage with much more competition? Nedved and Del Piero also refuse to go and chose Serie B and Serie A with Iaquintas and Grygera's, wasting years of their careers while they could have gone to, at that time, much stronger clubs.
