Paulo Dybala (193 Viewers)

[DelpieroForLife]

how can u even compare their impacts? Dybala is what, 9 years younger than tevez was when he arrived?

That's my point, those two have very little in common to compare.

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Ummm. The original comparison had nothing to do with 30 year old Tevez. If you read it, he said he'd prefer 21 year old Dybala to 21 year old Tevez. Of course 21 year old Dybala won't have the same impact as 30 year old Tevez.

We have replaced a 30 years Tevez with a 21 years Dybala, unless you have a time machine in your backyard such comparison will always be meaningless.

 

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[Post Ironic]

To be fair, Messi still carried his team plenty of times. He's very often weaker against quality opposition than against Levante & Getafe, but just about anyone is.

Zach exaggerates this like crazy. Messi dominates Real Madrid over the years. Was amazing in his first 2 CL finals, destroyed Bayern in SFs this year, and created the winning goal against us even if he didn't have a great match. He shows up in big matches as well as anyone in football, if not better. It's only for Argentina that he seems to play poorly in big matches, and the reasons for that I have no idea. But saying he doesn't take over big matches against well-organized defences for Barca is just untrue.

And look how badly Zidane choked for us in CL finals... Platini didn't do overly well for us in CL finals either. Hamburg beating that Juventus

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That's my point, those two have very little in common to compare.

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We have replaced a 30 years Tevez with a 21 years Dybala, unless you have a time machine in your backyard such comparison will always be meaningless.

Oh, I agree. I'm just referring to original quote. It had nothing to do with 30 year old Tevez.

 

[Osman]

Messi is one of the biggiest wtf examples of owning in big games for club football history, both league and CL. Its crazy to say otherwise indeed. But Argentina is whole another matter, just not in similar comfort and role there.

 

[Zacheryah]

Oh please


Madrid has been choking against barcelona for nearly a decade now, and messi was not "amazing" in his first 2 Cl finals. Iniesta and Xavi were, Messi was as good as the other players on the team.

He did not "destroy" bayern. Bayern was having a huge injury crisis and was withstanding Barcelona pretty good untill the 77th minute. Then messi scored a nice shot, after witch bayern completely collapsed. His second goal was nice but Bayern's defence was all over the place.


In big games, Platini and Zidane showed up. Much more then most players, exceptions prove the rule. Messi however, degrades to an extremely clinical ghost. Wich is totally fine if you play in the best offensive team in the world for a decade now. It is not fine when you play at argentina and are supposed to carry the team.

Neymar isnt as clinical as messi always is. But he can carry his team against strong opponents. Messi cant.

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Messi is one of the biggiest wtf examples of owning in big games for club football history, both league and CL. Its crazy to say otherwise indeed. But Argentina is whole another matter, just not in similar comfort and role there.

He does not "own". He's extremely clinical, and goes missing the entire game untill the team creates space for him and he'll score. Thats Messi. Argentina cannot do that, so he'll suck against organised teams if they keep concentrated all game.

 

[Osman]

Yeah this is just too insane even for you, go deny the complete domination we seen of him on consistent basis for a decade and account it only to his teammates, Real Madrid not being big enough, being CL record scorer not being enough and him being deemed just "clinical". This kind of ludicrous arguments are outdated and not worth addressing anymore when the reality of his historical dominating is plain to see. No other player does what he has done consistently in club football, like ever.

 

[Post Ironic]

Yeah this is just too insane even for you, go deny the complete domination we seen of him on consistent basis for a decade and account it only to his teammates, Real Madrid not being big enough, being CL record scorer not being enough and him being deemed just "clinical". This kind of ludicrous arguments are outdated and not worth addressing anymore when the reality of his historical dominating is plain to see. No other player does what he has done consistently in club football, like ever.

I'm not even a Messi fan, but that's just over the top. He's consistently been Barca's best player in their biggest matches for the last 8 years.

 

[Osman]

He has his own insane standard he is judged on, for obvious reasons. For example last CL final is considered a "weak" one for him , because well it's him. While he assisted two of the goals and set up the first one with a long opening ball to Neymar. That's him having a "quiet" game according to football fans.

 

[Post Ironic]

He has his own insane standard he is judged on, for obvious reasons. For example last CL final is considered a "weak" one for him , because well it's him. While he assisted two of the goals and set up the first one with a long opening ball to Neymar. That's him having a "quiet" game according to football fans.

It was actually Pedro who assisted Neymar's goal. And while the pass to Neymar was nice, that goal was all Neymar-Iniesta-Rakitic.

Don't get me wrong, he had a good game, but he didn't dominate. He did however 100% create the winning goal, which alone is reason to say he had huge influence on the match.

 

[Zacheryah]

Yeah this is just too insane even for you, go deny the complete domination we seen of him on consistent basis for a decade and account it only to his teammates, Real Madrid not being big enough, being CL record scorer not being enough and him being deemed just "clinical". This kind of ludicrous arguments are outdated and not worth addressing anymore when the reality of his historical dominating is plain to see. No other player does what he has done consistently in club football, like ever.

He is the most consistant player in history. In the worst age of defending since the 50ties. He tends to go missing against well organised teams (barely any these days), but is extremely clinical when he gets a chance from his teammates.
In big games, Messi turns into a roaming poacher, capable of scoring from anywhere 25meters from goal when given the space. There is nothing wrong with that.


You are a big fan of Messi. I understand it. I can explain why Messi sucks for argentina, you cannot. These two reasons are why you are wrong and not worth addressing anymore.

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He has his own insane standard he is judged on, for obvious reasons. For example last CL final is considered a "weak" one for him , because well it's him. While he assisted two of the goals and set up the first one with a long opening ball to Neymar. That's him having a "quiet" game according to football fans.

And now you are even twisting facts aswel. He created the winning goal on a great counter when a foul on Pogba wasent given.

 

[Osman]

Ahh thought he made the final pass on that 3rd goal. Yeah he had a fairly withdrawn deep role in that game to force our midfield and defenders out to chase him around in midfield. Seemed to focus on patiently spreading balls from there instead of play as an attacker. Until he and they woke up with the space offered in 2nd part of 2nd half. Just too deadly in their build ups, as we seeing right now. The interplay between him and Suarez in his goal today is sick.

 

[Klin]

 

[Osman]

not worth addressing anymore.

Then don't?

 

[dolph]

Messi a clinical poacher. Now I heard it all. The guy dictate play, create goals for him self and his team mates out of nothing. Easely the best player I ever seen.

 

[Osman]

Messi a clinical poacher. Now I heard it all. The guy dictate play, create goals for him self and his team mates out of nothing. Easely the best player I ever seen.

Has the most amount of assists in football for 5 years or so.

http://sillyseason.com/football/top-10-assist-kings-in-past-5-seasons-46822/10/

 

[Khunglongkhelua]

Yeah this is just too insane even for you, go deny the complete domination we seen of him on consistent basis for a decade and account it only to his teammates, Real Madrid not being big enough, being CL record scorer not being enough and him being deemed just "clinical". This kind of ludicrous arguments are outdated and not worth addressing anymore when the reality of his historical dominating is plain to see. No other player does what he has done consistently in club football, like ever.

Zach thinks Marchisio is good, just want you to know.

 

[Osman]

Zach thinks Marchisio is good, just want you to know.

Shut up already, jeez.

 

[Post Ironic]

Ahh thought he made the final pass on that 3rd goal. Yeah he had a fairly withdrawn deep role in that game to force our midfield and defenders out to chase him around in midfield. Seemed to focus on patiently spreading balls from there instead of play as an attacker. Until he and they woke up with the space offered in 2nd part of 2nd half. Just too deadly in their build ups, as we seeing right now. The interplay between him and Suarez in his goal today is sick.

Yep. He played a deeper role distributing and creating their attacks against us. I think he would have had an assist on Neymar's headed handball goal. He played a very good match. And was a big part of our vaunted midfield being destroyed.

Today he's been amazing. Him and Suarez are quite the pairing. It's disappointing to see Neymar's talents marginalized again with the attacking play running more through Messi and Suarez now. But ultimately it's Neymar's responsibility to find a way to get more involved in that interplay. If Barca can find a way to really get the 3 of them working together fully synchronized that attack will be impossible to stop. Right now it's always Messi and Suarez, or Suarez and Neymar. Messi and Neymar need to get more synchronized for that attack to live up to its full and terrifying potential. Or so goes my opinion.

 

[Zacheryah]

So we are resorting in insulting me or just laughing, without a counter explenation. sweet.

I dont get the upset. There have been several forwards who were known to go "missing" in the difficult games, but were exceptionally clinical when given a chance. Its what Messi does at Barcelona against well organised teams, and what he tries to do with argentina

See past worldcup. The groupstage games where messi scored ? He was kinda bad or missing. Suddenly some space, 95% chance he'll score. Thats Messi in a difficult game for you. Not a single player has been that consistantly clinical troughout his career as messi.

I call him a roaming poacher in such games, because of how a poacher acts. he goes missing, finishes when gets a chance. Messi extends this to everywhere 25 meters from goal.


But i understand that Osman and Post Ironic are big fans of Messi, who refuse to accept he isnt carrying barcelona in every single game.

 

[DAiDEViL]

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please come in here and stop the messi vs. neymar bullshit.

 

[Zacheryah]

Osman and Post Ironic confessed their undying love for Messi and Barcelona.
Some idiots posted some shit
I explained my views on Messi and explained why he sucks for his NT.

The way i see it, we are only going to repeat our arguments, and this is dybala's topic.


Lets talk about Dybala, and wether Allegri is right.