Paul Pogba (182 Viewers)

[IlCapitano]

He has 17.5 gross at Utd, not net.

 

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[zizinho]

17.5m net is a hard pass. 12m with the tax reliefs I'd think about it if Raiola doesn't want a hefty commission from us..

It's a few M more than Dybala in gross. But as IlCapitano mentioned, it's 17.5M gross, so even better

 

[JuveE46]

Man you said he should be De Bruyne and Kante in one guy, show me a human being that ever lived like that. And if those are your expectations for him, no wonder hes in a bad light in your eyes. The 100M player was your game changer, and he did it with Pirlo, without Pirlo, with Sturaro, without Sturaro. Cant be that conveniently all the midfielders we had in that 3-4 year span were perfectly tailored for him right? Or maybe it has to do with the coach? Realizing the strengths and weaknesses of a player and using him in such way, instead of trying to make him into something he isnt? Maybe its that, just maybe

For someone that takes peoples words literally when it fits your agenda, you do alot of aloof bullshitting and expect a different response/result from others which is funny. With that glory hunting approach/mentality the moment you said "I only consider the player and not his wages", that conversation with you was over for me because that's a lot of jacking off instead of sticking to logic.

But since you otherwise seem like a nice guy I'm telling you argue to win according to your belief not facts.
Yes I did say that and it would be humanely impossible to do exactly both and to be at exact de Bruyne and kante level all the time. I also pointed out he doesn't do either one of those things as well as either one of those players to be worth his price tag.
A better and more accurate example, for the likes of you who hunt for words or figures of speech, just so you don't choke in an argument, would be Vidal. At his wages/hype/size jogba should be like a consistent prime Vidal at the least. Is that better?

Bold part, so what? Were any of those "tailored" to fit him players alongside him bring our level up enough to achieve anything besides serie A?
And the 390 thousand fucking EUROS PER WEEK that you don't want to discuss (conviniently) has alot to do with his (lack of) ability on the pitch. That 390 per week is enough to get 3 players to feel the role of jogba and even benifits us more than a dabbing donkey.
This mother fucker asks for more money than Lukaku, if that is comprehendible let it sink in.
Hype kills.

 

[zizinho]

For someone that takes peoples words literally when it fits your agenda, you do alot of aloof bullshitting and expect a different response/result from others which is funny. With that glory hunting approach/mentality the moment you said "I only consider the player and not his wages", that conversation with you was over for me because that's a lot of jacking off instead of sticking to logic.

But since you otherwise seem like a nice guy I'm telling you argue to win according to your belief not facts.
Yes I did say that and it would be humanely impossible to do exactly both and to be at exact de Bruyne and kante level all the time. I also pointed out he doesn't do either one of those things as well as either one of those players to be worth his price tag.
A better and more accurate example, for the likes of you who hunt for words or figures of speech, just so you don't choke in an argument, would be Vidal. At his wages/hype/size jogba should be like a consistent prime Vidal at the least. Is that better?

Bold part, so what? Were any of those "tailored" to fit him players alongside him bring our level up enough to achieve anything besides serie A?
And the 390 thousand fucking EUROS PER WEEK that you don't want to discuss (conviniently) has alot to do with his (lack of) ability on the pitch. That 390 per week is enough to get 3 players to feel the role of jogba and even benifits us more than a dabbing donkey.
This mother fucker asks for more money than Lukaku, if that is comprehendible let it sink in.
Hype kills.

I dont want to discuss wages because he wont be coming here. But you also need to understand that we actually can afford him, since the tax laws in Italy allow us to pay players that come from abroad more money on same gross wages. For example, Dybala at 17.5M gross would get around 10M, while Pogba would get 13-14 at those same gross wages. So its possible for us, but i dont think he wants to come, i think hell go to Paris instead, so there is no point discussing his wages. Im not a fan of giving high wages either, not to Pogba, not to anyone.

As for the rest of what you say, lets just agree to disagree. You say we can get 3 players for those wages to do his job, im not sure who they are. Maybe we hit another jackpot with a Gravenberch or Tchouameni, but they will cost a lot too and demand high wages as well very fast if they turn into anything like Pogba. Lukaku is not as good so Pogba will ask for more naturally. So things like that we wont be agreeing on

 

[Post Ironic]

Pogba better than Lukaku? Maybe 6 years ago.
And I don’t even like Romelu.

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Pogba has been so bad that 90% of their fans on there don’t want him to be given a new contract. Their fans call his performances garbage, the pundits call his performances garbage, but zizi’s eye test is the only true measure. Lol

 

[JuveE46]

I dont want to discuss wages because he wont be coming here. But you also need to understand that we actually can afford him, since the tax laws in Italy allow us to pay players that come from abroad more money on same gross wages. For example, Dybala at 17.5M gross would get around 10M, while Pogba would get 13-14 at those same gross wages. So its possible for us, but i dont think he wants to come, i think hell go to Paris instead, so there is no point discussing his wages. Im not a fan of giving high wages either, not to Pogba, not to anyone.

As for the rest of what you say, lets just agree to disagree. You say we can get 3 players for those wages to do his job, im not sure who they are. Maybe we hit another jackpot with a Gravenberch or Tchouameni, but they will cost a lot too and demand high wages as well very fast if they turn into anything like Pogba. Lukaku is not as good so Pogba will ask for more naturally. So things like that we wont be agreeing on

Again....We won't discuss wages because he won't be coming here? Lol

When an architect is actually trying to build a house he considers the overall cost vs budget to determine the type of design fit to implement.
He is not concerned about your hopes and wishes for your dream house, his limits are directly proportional to your budget. He doesn't say to you, just tell me your ideal dream house and I will draw it up and don't worry about the cost because we are not building it. Then why the fuck are we discussing it? It's just ass backwards logic.

Speaking of ass backwards logic... you think POGBA deserves his wages more than Lukaku because Lukaku isn't as good??? You fucking serious or is this some kind of prank? Lol.
Guy is scoring every other game AT LEAST every other game for a fucking decade. 70% of international showings he scored on..just hit his peak with inter..
put the pipe down and step away from it.

 

[ALC]

Yes, pogba has been nothing but trash his entire time at United. He has the occasional game where he showed what he could be but he hasnt been consistent. Straight trash.

 

[JuveE46]

Pogba better than Lukaku? Maybe 6 years ago.
And I don’t even like Romelu.

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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pol...ogba-down-to-a-new-long-term-contract.466052/

Pogba has been so bad that 90% of their fans on there don’t want him to be given a new contract. Their fans call his performances garbage, the pundits call his performances garbage, but zizi’s eye test is the only true measure. Lol

Man if they want to increase our players stamina the club should pay this guy to argue with them.

 

[zizinho]

Pogba better than Lukaku? Maybe 6 years ago.
And I don’t even like Romelu.

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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/pol...ogba-down-to-a-new-long-term-contract.466052/

Pogba has been so bad that 90% of their fans on there don’t want him to be given a new contract. Their fans call his performances garbage, the pundits call his performances garbage, but zizi’s eye test is the only true measure. Lol

Qouting redcafe for non banter reasons ffs pundits

Lukaku the guy that got outscored by a midfielder teammate (Pogba) while being the starting CF for them. Oh boy. Now you gonna wank him too. The lengths you'd go man, your hate is so not healthy. I fear for you if we bring Grande Labile back

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Again....We won't discuss wages because he won't be coming here? Lol

When an architect is actually trying to build a house he considers the overall cost vs budget to determine the type of design fit to implement.
He is not concerned about your hopes and wishes for your dream house, his limits are directly proportional to your budget. He doesn't say to you, just tell me your ideal dream house and I will draw it up and don't worry about the cost because we are not building it. Then why the fuck are we discussing it? It's just ass backwards logic.

Speaking of ass backwards logic... you think POGBA deserves his wages more than Lukaku because Lukaku isn't as good??? You fucking serious or is this some kind of prank? Lol.
Guy is scoring every other game AT LEAST every other game for a fucking decade. 70% of international showings he scored on..just hit his peak with inter..
put the pipe down and step away from it.

Wages are not relevant for us if he isn't coming, how you don't understand that. You say you don't want to give him 390k, but I say it doesn't matter because he's not coming. And I showed you above how easily you can give him high wages and not overpay, so if you want to discuss wages so much, start with responding to that

The CF is scoring goals? Wow, I never knew he did. Immobile is scoring goals, you think hes better than Sergej?

 

[ALC]

Lukaku got better tho, Pogba didn’t

 

[Post Ironic]

Qouting redcafe for non banter reasons ffs pundits

Lukaku the guy that got outscored by a midfielder teammate (Pogba) while being the starting CF for them. Oh boy. Now you gonna wank him too. The lengths you'd go man, your hate is so not healthy. I fear for you if we bring Grande Labile back

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Wages are not relevant for us if he isn't coming, how you don't understand that. You say you don't want to give him 390k, but I say it doesn't matter because he's not coming. And I showed you above how easily you can give him high wages and not overpay, so if you want to discuss wages so much, start with responding to that

The CF is scoring goals? Wow, I never knew he did. Immobile is scoring goals, you think hes better than Sergej?

What a butthurt fanboi. Keeping fapping to Jogba. While he continues sucking ass. You must watch every single United match to know so much better than United fans and the pundits and commentators that seem to all believe he’s been straight trash for them.

God bless Zizi’s eye test. We could never rate another player properly again without it

Lukaku also sucked at United, but has been far better since. While Jogba has just continued to decline and get worse. At least one of the two has shown some drive and work ethic. It’s not Jogba.

 

[JuveE46]

Pogba is more significant for a team than Lukaku and SHOULD be asking for more money. Eh @zizinho ?
They say the tongue has no bone, it will turn any which way to "win" an argument.

 

[zizinho]

Lukaku got better tho, Pogba didn’t

He really didn't, Conte took good advantage of him, that's all

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What a butthurt fanboi. Keeping fapping to Jogba. While he continues sucking ass. You must watch every single United match to know so much better than United fans and the pundits and commentators that seem to all believe he’s been straight trash for them.

God bless Zizi’s eye test. We could never rate another player properly again without it

Lukaku also sucked at United, but has been far better since. While Jogba has just continued to decline and get worse. At least one of the two has shown some drive and work ethic. It’s not Jogba.

Again PI nonsense.
YOU are the one that keeps talking about his united performances as if you watch him regularly. I never said anything about it. You go to redcafe and read a few opinions and come here pretending to know what you talking about. Which is why no one takes you serious.

Ah so Lukaku didn't suck once he joined a different team? Did his finishing improve? Did he learn to dribble? Cross? Pass? What is it? Maybe, I don't know, it's the coach knowing how to use a player? Ever thought about that? But that's too much for you maybe, it's not written anywhere on redcafe so

Point out to us where has Pogbas decline happened? What is he worse at than few years ago? If he came here and Max made him perform to a higher level, will you say he improved again? Did Tevez decline in City and then improve again here? Please don't write nonsense just to write, think

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Pogba is more significant for a team than Lukaku and SHOULD be asking for more money. Eh @zizinho ?
They say the tongue has no bone, it will turn any which way to "win" an argument.

Now post the same thing for Immobile and Sergej. Then explain to us why Immobile is better.

 

[Post Ironic]

What a bonehead.

 

[JuveE46]

What a bonehead.

You seen this fucking clown celebrate early right? Sturaro earned his wages more than this money dumpster.


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Qouting redcafe for non banter reasons ffs pundits

Lukaku the guy that got outscored by a midfielder teammate (Pogba) while being the starting CF for them. Oh boy. Now you gonna wank him too. The lengths you'd go man, your hate is so not healthy. I fear for you if we bring Grande Labile back

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Wages are not relevant for us if he isn't coming, how you don't understand that. You say you don't want to give him 390k, but I say it doesn't matter because he's not coming. And I showed you above how easily you can give him high wages and not overpay, so if you want to discuss wages so much, start with responding to that

The CF is scoring goals? Wow, I never knew he did. Immobile is scoring goals, you think hes better than Sergej?

You keep saying we can afford him, maybe we can I'm not even arguing that. You keep saying taxes this and that and we can afford him. This is how I know you are not even paying attention. I'm saying he is not worth it not we can afford him or not. At those wages, even if we have a billion to spare he is not a 390k a week player. He needs to be at least on half that. (assuming according to you he comes at fee of 30m or below? That's what you said right?). Even then he is not shown to be consistent, but at those wages it's worth the try.

 

[zizinho]

You seen this fucking clown celebrate early right? Sturaro earned his wages more than this money dumpster.


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You keep saying we can afford him, maybe we can I'm not even arguing that. You keep saying taxes this and that and we can afford him. This is how I know you are not even paying attention. I'm saying he is not worth it not we can afford him or not. At those wages, even if we have a billion to spare he is not a 390k a week player. He needs to be at least on half that. (assuming according to you he comes at fee of 30m or below? That's what you said right?). Even then he is not shown to be consistent, but at those wages it's worth the try.

Ok first of all where did you get 390k? Is that a rumor of a wage he demands? His salary is 15M pounds yearly, which is around 17.5M euros yearly (gross or net, I don't know, can't be bothered to analyze ManU wage structure. @IlCapitano says gross so I guess). You think he doesn't deserve it but what does it matter? The tax law was introduced exactly for this, to make players like Pogba on high salaries affordable. If we gave him equal gross wages to Dybalas, you'd say he earns more than Dybala and it's undeserved, but it doesn't matter for the club because they both cost the same. So your overreacting is way overblown.

There is no fee, he is a free agent, his yearly amortization would be much much less than Arthur for example. Financially he won't be a problem for the club like Ronaldo was, or even like Higuain was, not even close.

Ok atleast you say he's worth a try at half of 390k, which I can get behind actually and I think it's slightly less than what we will offer him imo (if they even go for him)

Bottom line is he's got the physical tools to play the game well into his 30s. He's got WC ability on the ball, he's still in his prime and is out of contract. We have a coach that would know how to use him and if we can get him it would be a brilliant signing. Let's see though, I think it's between Paris, Madrid and staying at ManU and we get Tchouameni or someone like that

 

[Bianconero81]

I used to love Pogba, and I was devastated when we sold him (not as much as Vidal though).

However, I don't think he's worth bringing back.

I realize we might need someone with experience in midfield, considering we have a bunch of pussies and two young players with potential in Locatelli and McNuggets.

Ideally, I'd go for someone like Tielemans, supported by one of Tchouameni/Gravenberch and Locatelli, with Rovella and McNuggets/Arturd backing them up. Once Fagioli and Ranocchia have enough Serie A experience, they can be used in rotation as well.

This would require selling Fagiot, getting rid of Glassmsey's wages, and selling two of Bentancur, McNuggets and Arturd, which I don't think is feasible.

There are so many good mids available on frees as well, with Kamara and Zakaria coming to mind.

 

[zizinho]

I used to love Pogba, and I was devastated when we sold him (not as much as Vidal though).

However, I don't think he's worth bringing back.

I realize we might need someone with experience in midfield, considering we have a bunch of pussies and two young players with potential in Locatelli and McNuggets.

Ideally, I'd go for someone like Tielemans, supported by one of Tchouameni/Gravenberch and Locatelli, with Rovella and McNuggets/Arturd backing them up. Once Fagioli and Ranocchia have enough Serie A experience, they can be used in rotation as well.

This would require selling Fagiot, getting rid of Glassmsey's wages, and selling two of Bentancur, McNuggets and Arturd, which I don't think is feasible.

There are so many good mids available on frees as well, with Kamara and Zakaria coming to mind.

I'd rather we go young, Tchouameni, Gravenberch are quite intriguing, in Serie A there is Ivan Ilic, plus we got our own bunch of Fagioli, Rovella, Ranocchia (hopefully atleast one of them become good enough). There is some interesting young freebies too like Zakaria and Kamara. If we go for experience then Sergej got plenty, and he's still only 26 (although probably impossible and too expensive if that wasn't the case), others of similar age and caliber are probably out of reach. Having said all that, I don't think we can get a better player than Pogba this summer (those young ones might be in the future but not right now), and he will be very cheap compared to what he usually costs, so he falls under that opportunity bracket. If there is will from him, we should try. But I'm afraid it's gonna be another Donnarumma/Szczesny situation where we won't be able to sell (enough) mids

 

[kao_ray]

Too old, too expensive, too lazy... Next, please

 

[Pegi]

Before he comes, he should have mental check. A physchologist should be booked to get him around a lake for 2-3 days with no civilization around and ask him couple questions, whether to either call it quits or continue kicking the ball. If he somehow comes up with a career saving plan to dedicate himself for next 5 years, then i'd take him but other than that, i'd stay away from him. I don't want to see a single money collecting, unable to boil an egg individuals around our team for - ever.