Paul Pogba (218 Viewers)

[Fred]

It doesnt excuse ofcourse, whatever happens next hes always gonna have this on his legacy. He was at his peak in 2016, he could have went for the CL in barcelona, Madrid, PSG or staying put. He chose a weak team, probably bought into the Mourinho and Zlatan hype. Raiola, money, fame, huge fanbase, "home", dumbass friends like Lingard. A lot of factors, had they succeeded in waking up the fallen giant it would have turned out great for him legacy wise. But they didnt and hes alao to blame.

Having said all that, doubting him as a player i dont think is fair. First, he wasnt terrible there, he had his fair share of great games. And 2nd, like i said, he needs to be seen in a different envirovement first, before dubbing him finished or overrated etc

I would not say he's finished, not at all. Especially because i think we don't disagree on his "ability". Let me put it like this, I won't be surprised if he moved to another team and started putting in consistent performances at his best. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he did it for Man Utd. I don't think he has magically lost his technique, control, passing range, strength etc. My original point was that after 5 years at United, he has to take most of the blame. Also because he has this ability, it would have been perfectly possible that in another environment he would have been world class and had a CL or two to his name. But that's football, players have a short shelf life, and their choices, professionalism, mentality, ability to adapt and other non football factors play a major role in the success/failure of their careers. We can say what if about so many talented players, that would be a never ending cycle.

Because of those 4-5 years he's always going to be a risk, especially for what he'll cost. But if a manager and club truly believe they can get the best out of him. IMO that is a high ceiling.

 

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[zizinho]

I would not say he's finished, not at all. Especially because i think we don't disagree on his "ability". Let me put it like this, I won't be surprised if he moved to another team and started putting in consistent performances at his best. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he did it for Man Utd. I don't think he has magically lost his technique, control, passing range, strength etc. My original point was that after 5 years at United, he has to take most of the blame. Also because he has this ability, it would have been perfectly possible that in another environment he would have been world class and had a CL or two to his name. But that's football, players have a short shelf life, and their choices, professionalism, mentality, ability to adapt and other non football factors play a major role in the success/failure of their careers. We can say what if about so many talented players, that would be a never ending cycle.

Because of those 4-5 years he's always going to be a risk, especially for what he'll cost. But if a manager and club truly believe they can get the best out of him. IMO that is a high ceiling.

I meant the general narrative in this thread when i said he shouldnt be dubbed finished, i wasnt talking about you there. He could find his peak form at ManU even, but he needs to be played in his best position. But as long as they have Bruno (AM/SS) and a bunch of wingers, thats hard. It will either be him behind 4 attackers infront of the defense, or some lopsided 433/442 with Bruno and Ronaldo as pseudo wingers/CFs. Hard to see that but lets wait for a new coach, Conte could find a formula. Either way if i was him, im leaving in the summer

 

[Jäger]

Blimey, one red card and suddenly he's the worst player to ever grace a football field ya'll were lauding him with praise just the other week ago

 

[zizinho]

Blimey, one red card and suddenly he's the worst player to ever grace a football field ya'll were lauding him with praise just the other week ago

You're still new, certain people hate him with a passion for leaving (funnily they love Vidal even tho he was worse in this regard), and for his antics, so they enjoy every little fail of his. You'll notice a pattern that this thread is bumped every time yanited fails

 

[ALC]

Nah people just think he’s an overrated player who called his time at Juve a vacation, acted like he was too good for this team and then went on to a team where he is exposed for the mental midget he is.

more people on this forum call for bringing him back than they make fun of him for having bad games.

 

[Post Ironic]

Nah people just think he’s an overrated player who called his time at Juve a vacation, acted like he was too good for this team and then went on to a team where he is exposed for the mental midget he is.

more people on this forum call for bringing him back than they make fun of him for having bad games.

Yep. He’s a clown on and off the pitch. Uber-talented player with a piss-poor attitude, shit work ethic, and midget mentality. Guys like him and Neymar are everything that is wrong with modern footballers.

 

[JuveE46]

Yep. He’s a clown on and off the pitch. Uber-talented player with a piss-poor attitude, shit work ethic, and midget mentality. Guys like him and Neymar are everything that is wrong with modern footballers.

I like that you threw in neymar Jr. Jr. Jr. as a bonus thanks indeed.

 

[zizinho]

Nah people just think he’s an overrated player

Thats your opinion, but im talking about holding an agenda aganst him for years now

who called his time at Juve a vacation

He was talking about the feeling of being back, not his time at Juve. He always had positive things to say about us.

acted like he was too good for this team

When and how?

and then went on to a team where he is exposed for the mental midget he is.

Again your opinion, but would you prefer if he went to Bayern after a CL final loss and said he came because he wants to win the CL? Or if he went to Real/Barca?

more people on this forum call for bringing him back than they make fun of him for having bad games.

People have fond memories of his time here, he was really great for us, so thats no surprise. Id take him back on reduced wages and hes 'free', yet you will see how im a Pogba apologist. But some people say its better to bring back Vidal who is rotting on inters bench.

 

[Post Ironic]

I like that you threw in neymar Jr. Jr. Jr. as a bonus thanks indeed.

Coincidentally also puts in consistent top class performances for his national team.

Some people just don’t recognize how much easier it is to shine in the national team for a dozen or so widely spaced out matches a year against a mix of terrible and middling sides, where even the top sides are much less organized and well-drilled than top club teams. National team performance has next to zilch to do with club team team performance.

 

[Hist]

Was idiotic from Ole to leave him on the bench from the starting 11, then give him instructions on the half time after game being 4-0 for Liverpool. Sub him on, Utd gets scored again and let’s not forget, he’s world champion and guy with quite big ego as you should have for being top player but fucking starting from the bench and getting subbed when game is over and your team is totally humilated, so what’s the point of bringing him on? To feel the embarrasement on the pitch? That card was stupid by him, but i can bet he was furious of losing and being left on the bench. Those type of players should be never subbed in those type of situations. Of course he wants to win, which is always better than seeing players not caring at all. With the tackle, it showed that he cared even a bit instead of standing there and watching them scoring 6th or 7th.

That’s on Ole more than Pogba.

He was brought on because the others got bulldozed, and to maybe create a goal to save face. A proper player would have tried to save his team's face. Instead he gave away an extra goal and got red carded, fully justifying the decision to exclude him. Imagine doing worse in 15 min than the midfielders who conceded 4 goals in one half. Thats how bad he was.

 

[JCK]

It's nostalgia man. While he was here, he had very good performances so people have hopes for some kind of restoration.

Only few notice it's not his game that is the problem but his head. Dude's ego has grown exponentially over the years and that's not fixable if you ask me.

Challenge accepted

 

[Siamak]

Gazzetta:
Pogba. Come back: green lights. With a 3 years contract there could also be a discount on his salary.
The French man gives priority to the bianconeri but his salary should be limited.

 

[Boksic]

Gazzetta:
Pogba. Come back: green lights. With a 3 years contract there could also be a discount on his salary.
The French man gives priority to the bianconeri but his salary should be limited.

He must want another crack at winning the Europa League.

 

[Siamak]

downgrade for both of parties. If we are looking toward the future, Pogba is a past item and must be left behind. we can't afford his salary and he won't be happy here.

 

[IlCapitano]

downgrade for both of parties. If we are looking toward the future, Pogba is a past item and must be left behind. we can't afford his salary and he won't be happy here.

Ofc we can afford it. He would fall into the new tax rules and his gross salary would be on par with Dybala while earning more net

 

[Xperd]

 

[Post Ironic]

He’s nearly 29 and should be at the peak of his career, but he’s far off that.
There’s no chance he can turn things around now, even with a new manager in charge.
He’s slow, sloppy, lacks mobility and is lackadaisical.
I’ve heard him described as both an awkward lanky giraffe wearing concrete boots and as knackered old oil tanker with a broken propeller that struggles to manoeuvre or turn. Both sound quite apt.

The commentator called him arrogant at one point. It was when he over dribbled and Zapata almost scored but Bailly blocked it. I don’t know what he was thinking but the commentator was spot on. Weirdly arrogant for a player who has so many flaws in his game.

Its always been the case. His teammates and the club have taken the blame for his lack of intensity and interest for far too long. At best It’s like playing with a man down in about half his games, at worst he’ll cost you games and goals. It’s just not good enough. Devastating attacking player on his day. More often are the days he’s sloppy, self indulgent and slow. He regularly goes missing in games we need him the most too and is self indulgent and ponderous when we need him keyed up.

If he ends up signing a new contract I will be majorly pissed off. Think if I had the choice of getting rid of Pogba or Solskjaer in January I'd pick Pogba and I really want Solskjaer replaced.
Guy has never done it for us on a consistent level, constantly dawdles on the ball in midfield and opposition managers have been targeting this for years. Agree with those who say he should have been sold years ago.

Jog on paul. If you can be arsed to break into a jog.

Redcafe can’t stand this clown anymore.

 

[X Æ A-12]

How many years have these idiots been talking about how Pogba just needs a "talking to". Dude's gotta be nearing 30, how long does he need his hand held for?

 

[Bianconero81]

Asexual Lanky Giraffe sounds more like Fagiot, but instead of concrete boots, Mama's boy is wearing a tutu and roller skates.

 

[zizinho]

How many years have these idiots been talking about how Pogba just needs a "talking to". Dude's gotta be nearing 30, how long does he need his hand held for?

Give him to us, Max gonna show those fools how easy this is. Pogba gonna rock it here and leave for another 100M to Paris in 2-3 years