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How many minutes will he play for jj in 23-24 season?


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Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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World class non DM Pogba


The rise and fall of Pogba.

Its depressing to see how he rot after he left us...is a shadow of himsel. Please dont bring him back, he doesnt have the fire anymore.

And dont fool yourlselves, it has nothing to do with ManU, its on him.

If they are so disappointed from him, they should sell... Anyway We will be getting him in 2 years or on a cut price in 1 year.
You better wish it doesnt happen, because this is exactly the kind of moody players we dont need here anymore.
 

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IlCapitano

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2012
5,614
Dybala played at an elite level in 2016/17 despite attacking midfielder not being his best position. Dybala also played at an excellent level in 2017/18 despite numerous games on the right wing. Dybala has been moved around as much as Pogba has in the last five years, and mostly delivered.

That's quite an achievement for someone who "is not a team player"


The highlighted part has literally defined Pogba's 5 year career at Manchester United.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Try living by that phrase the next time you visit the Dybala thread :rolleyes:
So he played at an elite level, but when he started not playing at an elite level in the same positions and tactics that made it possible for him to play at an elite level in the first place Allegri was to blame?

I didn't say he was always 'not a team player'. He became that last 2-3 seasons with his antics and whining.

Again, who's ignoring context now? One guy is a midfielder playing in a shit team, the other a striker playing in a very good team. You use stats for Dybala all the time, you tried to use Bruno's stats to discredit Pogba, but when you're shown Pogba's stats then it doesn't matter?

Difference here is that I never asked for Dybala to be sold when he's actually consistent, helps the team, shuts up etc. The only reason I want Dybala sold is because there doesn't seem to be an end to this hot and cold dance he plays every season. Having CR in his position already helps too. If we had De Bruyne in midfield I wouldn't be asking for Pogba.

These things are too much to understand for you it seems. You can't help but bring someone else in the conversation about Dybala to try and justify his shortcomings.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
So he played at an elite level, but when he started not playing at an elite level in the same positions and tactics that made it possible for him to play at an elite level in the first place Allegri was to blame?
Dybala is an elite forward, second striker and even attacking midfielder. He is inconsistent at RW but has sometimes shown some great performances for us there. The bad form in 2018/19 was partially on Dybala himself and partially on Allegri. Let's not forget that our football was poor even when Dybala was not on the field. Ajax schooled us without Dybala playing.

Again, who's ignoring context now? One guy is a midfielder playing in a shit team, the other a striker playing in a very good team. You use stats for Dybala all the time, you tried to use Bruno's stats to discredit Pogba, but when you're shown Pogba's stats then it doesn't matter?
I don't need statistics to prove that Pogba is a fraud. The fact that the overwhelming number of Man United fans want to get rid of him and think he's a waste of space tells the story. Also, if you are surrounded by bad players, it should theoretically be easier for a super-talent to stand out. Pogba these days looks like he fits right in with Fred and McTominay.

Difference here is that I never asked for Dybala to be sold when he's actually consistent, helps the team, shuts up etc. The only reason I want Dybala sold is because there doesn't seem to be an end to this hot and cold dance he plays every season. Having CR in his position already helps too. If we had De Bruyne in midfield I wouldn't be asking for Pogba.
Dybala and Ronaldo don't really play the same position or the same role. Dybala prefers to come from the right and Ronaldo from the left. Dybala is a better dribbler and passer than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a superior goalscorer and athlete. They actually compliment each other's skillset.

These things are too much to understand for you it seems. You can't help but bring someone else in the conversation about Dybala to try and justify his shortcomings.
I would accept your opinion of Dybala a lot more readily if you didn't hype up Pogba, everything you criticize Dybala for can be said about this prancing clown. Makes you look like a giant hypocrite.
 

IlCapitano

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2012
5,614
Dybala is an elite forward, second striker and even attacking midfielder. He is inconsistent at RW but has sometimes shown some great performances for us there. The bad form in 2018/19 was partially on Dybala himself and partially on Allegri. Let's not forget that our football was poor even when Dybala was not on the field. Ajax schooled us without Dybala playing.



I don't need statistics to prove that Pogba is a fraud. The fact that the overwhelming number of Man United fans want to get rid of him and think he's a waste of space tells the story. Also, if you are surrounded by bad players, it should theoretically be easier for a super-talent to stand out. Pogba these days looks like he fits right in with Fred and McTominay.


Dybala and Ronaldo don't really play the same position or the same role. Dybala prefers to come from the right and Ronaldo from the left. Dybala is a better dribbler and passer than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a superior goalscorer and athlete. They actually compliment each other's skillset.


I would accept your opinion of Dybala a lot more readily if you didn't hype up Pogba, everything you criticize Dybala for can be said about this prancing clown. Makes you look like a giant hypocrite.
Depends on what you consider elite. He certainly doesn't have elite consistency, doesn't score or assist at an elite level and wasn't anywhere near elite in Europe bar 1-2 games. He is very, very good, sometimes touches that elite level. Consistency is what makes you elite.

It is much easier for bad players to drag good ones down than it is for good ones to improve them. Di Maria a prime example at United. Messi in Argentina too.
But I never argued Pogba hasn't been a flop for United and didn't use his stats to paint him in a better light. As opposed to you who uses stats when it fits him.

The fact you still think this after so much evidence they never play great at the same time, so many tactical and balance problems they create for the team when together etc. shows how deluded you are. One is right-footed, the other left-footed so they must fit right?

I don't hype up Pogba, on his current form at least. I just don't think his current form is the true representation of what he can do and believe that he just as many other players needs a right fit and the right motivation. I never claimed we should sign him over De Bruyne or Kroos or justify some of his antics and lack of effort at United like you do with Dybala. But he was also never like this with us, he is never like this when playing for France, while there's a well documented record of Man Utd ruining players in recent years. There's a difference between a player sulking in a messy team and a player doing what Dybala does season after season in a top organization like Juventus.

Would he be a huge improvement on anything we have in midfield? Yes.
Would he be a much better fit with Ronaldo than Dybala? Yes.
Would we be a better TEAM using money from Dybala's sale on two midfielders? Heck yes.

You can stop diverting this into a Pogba v Dybala discussion. We don't have a Ronaldo in midfield like we have in attack. We don't have a problem in attack as we do in midfield. I wouldn't be so easy to 'give up' on Dybala if he was our only great player in attack. One has nothing to do with the other. You just can't take any criticism of your little boy. For a couple years now you've never provided a valid explanation or defence of Dybala's problems. You only repeat 3 things: coach, his stats, and other players' flaws to justify his.
 

Nedved96

Senior Member
Sep 1, 2017
7,198
@Arcticdaly @Nedved96

Pogba has conceded as many penalties as he has total key passes in 6 PL matches he has played so far this season. 2 of each. :lol:

What an overrated turd this clown is. No wonder United fans all hate him now.
A great player is supposed to stand out in a bad team, which then motivates bigger and better teams to buy him.

Dybala stood out at Palermo when he was playing with teammates far worse than Pogba is now
Grealish stands out at Aston Villa as a special player
Mane stood out as a special player at Southampton, which is why Liverpool bought him

Meanwhile Pogba fanboys will blame the lack of quality at Manchester United as the reason behind his bad performances, despite the fact that he has some quality teammates (Rashford, Martial, Fernandes, Van de Beek). If Pogba was all that, the least he can do is look better than Fred Flintstone.

There has never been a player in the history of football who’s had more excuses made for him than Pogba.
 

pavluska

Senior Member
Apr 25, 2013
7,339
Keep in mind Pogba has been wanting to leave that club for three years. Hard to be motivated in that instance.

Only time he played well for them was when Ole first joined: good environment in the dressing room + he played his natural role and not deep.

He was never that player that stepped up when things were tough even with us. He needs to be inserted in a good, balanced, functional team and played in his ideal role. That's when you see Pogboom.

As for us, free with reasonable salary or bust. For transfer fee, younger Aouar should be the target next summer.
 

Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,320
A great player is supposed to stand out in a bad team, which then motivates bigger and better teams to buy him.

Dybala stood out at Palermo when he was playing with teammates far worse than Pogba is now
Grealish stands out at Aston Villa as a special player
Mane stood out as a special player at Southampton, which is why Liverpool bought him

Meanwhile Pogba fanboys will blame the lack of quality at Manchester United as the reason behind his bad performances, despite the fact that he has some quality teammates (Rashford, Martial, Fernandes, Van de Beek). If Pogba was all that, the least he can do is look better than Fred Flintstone.

There has never been a player in the history of football who’s had more excuses made for him than Pogba.
Its not about the team`s quality - Its about how he suits the team.
Pogba is just not suited for Man Utd - Thats it.

Anyway I see our midfield better than Man Utd even though it still sucks..
Ronaldo and Morata are quality and so are Kulusevski Cuadrado and Chiesa while I`ll add Dybala when he gets his form back.
So it means in terms of quality - we have it!
If we take Pogba back and he performs - I wouldnt mind calling him - a player who "needs his friends" - Its a team game and I`d take everyone who can fill what we are missing.
Pogba characteristics wise is just perfect for what we are missing.
Im not saying Pogba is the only player in the world but he surely fits the bill

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@Arcticdaly @Nedved96

Pogba has conceded as many penalties as he has total key passes in 6 PL matches he has played so far this season. 2 of each. :lol:

What an overrated turd this clown is. No wonder United fans all hate him now.
Why do they insist of keeping him is beyond logic.
He isnt suited for Man Utd and Man Utd could get someone with his money especially clearing his big wages BUT they are just too proud to admit it.

He is playing bad this year but I think he is just so unmotivated and desperately needs the change.
 

Arcticdaly

Senior Member
Oct 3, 2018
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@Arcticdaly @Nedved96

Pogba has conceded as many penalties as he has total key passes in 6 PL matches he has played so far this season. 2 of each. :lol:

What an overrated turd this clown is. No wonder United fans all hate him now.

Even the small section of died hard fans he had on there are starting to turn on him after they finally realised that he just makes them play worse.

Alot of hypocrite's in here as bashing Dybala for being a moody, inconsistent player and that very hard to fit into team you cant then be excusing pogba for the same shit when he is far worse than dybala at all them things.
 

Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,320
Why is this thread so active? Current Pogba is trash, he was great once, but that Paul is long gone. Some guys here are like Walter Sobchak, Cynthia left you a long time ago, but you are still watching for her Pomeranian.
Have no idea what you are talking about (I mean the movie).
As for Pogba - He has done what we need in the past and he can definitely do it again and has great goals and assists record which is definitely something we need in midfield.
He sucks? So has Cannavaro at Inter but we still made him a champion once again...
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
5,593
Have no idea what you are talking about (I mean the movie).
As for Pogba - He has done what we need in the past and he can definitely do it again and has great goals and assists record which is definitely something we need in midfield.
He sucks? So has Cannavaro at Inter but we still made him a champion once again...
Pogba can only dream about becoming the level of Cannavaro. Fabio was a force everywhere he played, he didn't need backing guys he was a backing guy. Paul is a fearweather superstar a-la Ozil. He is 27 already, how many years more before he grows up.
And Orgut, come on, go watch the damn movie, it's amazing.
 

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