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How many minutes will he play for jj in 23-24 season?


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zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Azzurri and l'equippe (the NT) disagree strongly :D

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Actually, "more important for his NT" ?


Giac was crucial for this azzurri, very crucial


Pogba was misused as a very limited CDM unable to bring out the grand majority of his skillset, and quite frankly was expendable at that position



If he asks it directly in that way, giac was far more crucial. But if you point out that was entirely because of deschamps retarded tactics, i'll fully agree.


Shamefull how they misused pogba at the euros
im actually very disappointed in DD after this Euro, i held him for a better coach than he showed to be this tournament. he was absolutely clueless as to how to set up that team properly, he even screwed up at not calling some players that could help them greatly while calling some mediocre ones. if you ask me how i find Pogbas performances at the Euro, id say he was mediocre compared to his usual self. but even then i found him the best French mid in pretty much all games bar the final so that just shows what a high standard he has set to himself. Giacch had a great tournament to his standards, Conte once again took the best out of him. his role though cant be compared to that of Labile who was supposed to carry the French midfields offense while Giacch was a role player that played his role at a high level
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Pogs is a Xavi, guti, seedorf kinda player. He's a utility player, he won't be the one putting it down when shits needed. Giach is like Ronaldo, sneijder, zidane, inzaghi he shows up when he's needed most.

Despite being barely a third the player Pogs his in terms of talent, Giach had tenfold the impact Pogs has.
Padoin > Giacch

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Before: #tweetcommelequipr #blablabla #imonholidays #universalstudios

Now: #imonholidays #nonsense
this guy :lol:

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You're crazy. Giach was pivotal for Italy. Pogs was surplus, decoration, unnecessary for his team. Could've had a mid of kante-matuidi no problem
Kante Matuidi would see them not even pass the group
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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hm, they both scored a goal but otherwise werent anything special. Giacch was running all game like a madman tho, ill give him that
Giach was a key part of the Italy squad, he was a pivotal member of the squad made things click for Conte. Pogs was surplus for Deschamps, and was anonymous for the vast majority of the tournament. Even in his defensive role, he barely scrapped by. Sure Deschamps wasted him by playing him back, but why place him higher in the pitch of you've got more decisive players? Hence, Pogs was not needed, France could've reached that final without Pogs. Italy wouldn't have made it that far without Giach.

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Like a bad, french version of Simone Pepe.
I'd say, an unrefined version of Guti, less talent, more dabbing.
 

Amer

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Feb 13, 2005
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Some important questions are there to be answered.

Any latest plans for his hair?
Has Adidas bought his social media accounts already?
Is this guy banging some girls or he likes them likes more?
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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hm, they both scored a goal but otherwise werent anything special. Giacch was running all game like a madman tho, ill give him that
i'd advice to watch an analysis of that, i missed it too. Giac's forward runs were so extremely well prepped, that he created a huge amount of danger on those long vertical or diagonal passes, and was doing an insane amount of running to make that happen(13km/game)

Only when De Rossi and Candreva were out, with alot of the feed gone, it became harder.


From all those mediocre players aside from juve4+DDR, Giac was by far the biggest cog to get that working.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Giach was a key part of the Italy squad, he was a pivotal member of the squad made things click for Conte. Pogs was surplus for Deschamps, and was anonymous for the vast majority of the tournament. Even in his defensive role, he barely scrapped by. Sure Deschamps wasted him by playing him back, but why place him higher in the pitch of you've got more decisive players? Hence, Pogs was not needed, France could've reached that final without Pogs. Italy wouldn't have made it that far without Giach.
Conte could have played a midfield of Sturaro-DDR-Parolo and he would have reached the final. 0-0 vs Belgium, 1-0 vs Sweden, 0-0 vs Ireland. then Hungary, Wales, Portugal and France in the final. also, DDR was the most important Italy mid as their gameplan fall apart as soon as they lost him. feel bad for the guy actually, if he was playing they would have beaten ze Germans and the French after that too. Pogs was the best French CM this tournament, no doubt
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
42,251
im actually very disappointed in DD after this Euro, i held him for a better coach than he showed to be this tournament. he was absolutely clueless as to how to set up that team properly, he even screwed up at not calling some players that could help them greatly while calling some mediocre ones. if you ask me how i find Pogbas performances at the Euro, id say he was mediocre compared to his usual self. but even then i found him the best French mid in pretty much all games bar the final so that just shows what a high standard he has set to himself. Giacch had a great tournament to his standards, Conte once again took the best out of him. his role though cant be compared to that of Labile who was supposed to carry the French midfields offense while Giacch was a role player that played his role at a high level

I still dont get why coaches find it so hard to make Pogba work. Why insist on putting him deep (gives you trouble when he loses the ball with some trick), for build up ??

Fuck no

HOW HARD IS IT


1. Put Pogba on LCM
2. tell him he can play BtB with same runlines and tactical instructions as at juve + a few game specific ones
3. set up the middle cm to be supporting pogba
4. ask Evra to support Pogba like he does it at juventus
5. watch him win you games in the form he ended the season with



It really is that simple.
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
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Conte could have played a midfield of Sturaro-DDR-Parolo and he would have reached the final. 0-0 vs Belgium, 1-0 vs Sweden, 0-0 vs Ireland. then Hungary, Wales, Portugal and France in the final. also, DDR was the most important Italy mid as their gameplan fall apart as soon as they lost him. feel bad for the guy actually, if he was playing they would have beaten ze Germans and the French after that too. Pogs was the best French CM this tournament, no doubt
Actually Sissoko was more important than Pogs this Euro.

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How accurate :lol: @Post Ironic
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Kante-Matuidi behind
Martial-Griezman-Payet
Giroud

Seems awful lot like what they used, minus kante for Pogs.
Kante is crap, cant pass the ball if his life depended on it. a midfield and attack of

Kante Cabaye Pogba
Payet
Griezmann Giroud

would have been the best way to go for France. too bad DD seems to rather learn football from Wenger than Allegri

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Actually Sissoko was more important than Pogs this Euro.

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How accurate :lol: @Post Ironic
Moussa played 2 games, only in one was he better than Pogs
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,249
Kante is crap, cant pass the ball if his life depended on it. a midfield and attack of

Kante Cabaye Pogba
Payet
Griezmann Giroud

would have been the best way to go for France. too bad DD seems to rather learn football from Wenger than Allegri

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Moussa played 2 games, only in one was he better than Pogs
Honestly, in all seriousness, you're gonna tell me Pogs had a bigger impact this Euro for France, then Giach did for Italy?
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
i'd advice to watch an analysis of that, i missed it too. Giac's forward runs were so extremely well prepped, that he created a huge amount of danger on those long vertical or diagonal passes, and was doing an insane amount of running to make that happen(13km/game)

Only when De Rossi and Candreva were out, with alot of the feed gone, it became harder.


From all those mediocre players aside from juve4+DDR, Giac was by far the biggest cog to get that working.
agree with this. hes a very limited player but he works so hard and is doing all the work tactically to make up for this.
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
I still dont get why coaches find it so hard to make Pogba work. Why insist on putting him deep (gives you trouble when he loses the ball with some trick), for build up ??

Fuck no

HOW HARD IS IT


1. Put Pogba on LCM
2. tell him he can play BtB with same runlines and tactical instructions as at juve + a few game specific ones
3. set up the middle cm to be supporting pogba
4. ask Evra to support Pogba like he does it at juventus
5. watch him win you games in the form he ended the season with



It really is that simple.
i think he didnt want to bench Matuidi for the work he brings and couldnt put him on the right for how one footed he is. its still hilarious how he moved Pogba around to fit in guys like Matuidi, Kante or Sissoko, couldnt he have called other mids that Pogba could coexist with. hes your best player with Griezmann ffs

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Honestly, in all seriousness, you're gonna tell me Pogs had a bigger impact this Euro for France, then Giach did for Italy?
France wouldnt reach the final without Pogs, even though he was mediocre (for his standards) as a DM, no onther French player could have done that role properly. Germans would crush them if they had a Kante, Matuidi, Sissoko mid
 

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