Paul Pogba (173 Viewers)

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king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
If he was in last year of contract I would understand selling him. But he has 3 years left and we should take hard stance here. There is no guarantee that Dybala won't request transfer to Barca next season and apparently he is big admirer of Messi and would like to play together some day. So we are just gonna accept I asume because if a player wants to leave we concede? Sorry but we cant challenge for CL like that, we need more continuity and that is difficult to achieve if we keep changing 2-3 top players every summer. We are not in a business of fulfilling players wishes. This would be a clear step back for us, we are selling a midfielder who guarantees +20 goal & assists per year. If we invest that money in 28 yo Higuain I'll fucking lose it. In the end I hope it's another one of these bs rumors.
Would we get a similar offer if he was at the last year of his contract?
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,020
Would we get a similar offer if he was at the last year of his contract?
There's plenty of time left. Next summer we can sell if he's still reluctant to stay. We can offer him a better deal in the mean time. The likes of United will always be around. City, PSG...
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,286
im glad you know this Kean kid and know that he wants to stay at Juve but greedy Raiola wont allow it so he will make him sign for PSG. case closed
No ,he is just doing what their clients want.In this case a 15 years old kid.Because Kean exactly knows without Raiola what he wants.So he is delaying the signing of the contract with s with the kid with his old recipe,not attending the training sessions by Kean until he get his commision.Mother Theresa is that fat prick.
And we are specialists for bringing players from PSG here not selling to them.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
Overall it's been great business with Raiola. Take a player for free, use him for 4 seasons and then sell for 120 mil.

The only problem is our image after this sale, but that also depends on who are we bringing with the cash.
guys you already talk as if it's a "done deal" well it's not. Like it wasn't in the past 3 years where for all media Pogba was already sold.
I'm positive about it. Juventus management will delay till next summer. The player is 23yrs old, has a 3 years deal pending, we already lost Marchisio for half of the season and Khedira is injury prone. All that and you would sell your main cm just cause we got Pjanic? and maybe Matic? that would be a suicide.
We will get the same money next summer so there is not a single reason to sell Pogba!
And even if he come to ask to leave we could convince him to stay one more year since we wanna try winning champions league and our new players show that.
We could renew his contract and give him more money but most of it would he really leave for a Europa League playing team? he could go there next year ONCE they actually acquire champions league.

So calm your tits and don't believe media rumors. Those united fans can keep fapping themself to death for what i care.
 

Catenaccio

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2002
3,363
If it is true they are going to pay Pogba 15m NET and offer 120m (which I assume includes Raiola's fee), he will cost Man United close to EU300m over the term of his contract. Pure insanity.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Sell Pogba, Zaza and Pereyra for a combined 175 mio. Get Pipita and James for a combined 165 mio. Play 3-4-1-2:

BBC
Alves-Pjanic-Khedira-AS
James
Dybala-Higuain

I would be okay with that. Get pjaca and Black Jesus. Stop dealing with that fat fuck Raiola.
:tup:

Losing Pogba, adding James and Higuain makes our starting XI clearly better than last season imo.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
If it is true they are going to pay Pogba 15m NET and offer 120m (which I assume includes Raiola's fee), he will cost Man United close to EU300m over the term of his contract. Pure insanity.
Dude everyday and every media are using different numbers.
Now some media reporting 20m!! before 10 then 12-13 :D
Just bull shit.
 

DUKAC

Senior Member
Feb 29, 2012
12,286
I am with @zizinho on this. If he puts his own interests ahead of his players' then he wouldn't have made it far as an agent at all. You'd have seen him bomb his players's careers for a quick big buck and top players would no longer trust him as an agent. It would be incredibly bad business for him in the long term. Its not sustainable.

It is in Raiola's best interest to get the best for his clients otherwise his own career would go downhill. So yes his number 1 priority is that Pogba is satisfied and that other potential clients see him as a good agent to have. And that means providing the best service he can to those clients, be it to market those players to make sure they are noticed and hyped, maintain good PR relations with journalists to write favorably about them, get his buddies in business to sponsor his clients and feature them on their products, get a huge contract for the player, market him for the biggest clubs in the world and so on.

Its not like a move to utd would be bad for Pogba. He gets to be a key player at bringing back the club to the top and create a legacy there, he gets to have much higher viewership than he does right now, he gets an insane salary package and transfer money with it, his sponsorship money will probably multiply, and he should be competing for top honours in a couple of years.

The mystery to me is (1) that he could have all those things next year after having gave it another shot at the CL with Juve. utd will probably be in the CL by then and all the financial benefits from a united move will still be there. The money might even get better if he actually wins the CL or performs at a very high level in many matches.

(2) Madrid can provide everything that utd is offering him and MORE. He gets to have all the financial benefits in the world and gets to compete for top honours like La Liga in CL immediately. There is also the added prestige of Madrid and playing under Zizou's management and with an infinitely better squad.

If I were him, I'd either go to Madrid this summer or stay at Juve and move to utd or city or chelsea the next season (unless madrid's ban is removed or barca wants him). This way I either go to the top and get everything now (madrid), or I have another try at the CL with Juve (possibly raising my price in doing that) and also see which EPL rich team actually looks in good shape, and give Barca a chance to get into the mix.
You are saying what I wrote with other words and giving good eaxmples.
I never say that he is not a master to make a good transfer for his client.Alongside with Mendez he is the best in bussiness for that.
The thing is that he is not just respecting what their players want,especially with Pogba because he never ask to go to MU particulary but when he smells good chance ,is pushing his clients towards some club.
Your point with Madrid is very good.Nothing to ad to that more.
 

alaska

Senior Member
May 25, 2013
1,253
It should be noted that I've +repped every single person who's disagreed with me here, as far as I know. That said. In 7th grade, I took an SAT test without preparing for it at all, it was spur-of-the-moment, I knew about it about an hour ahead of time and didn't do any research or anything. I scored higher on it than the average person using it to apply for college in my area. An IQ test has shown me to be in the 99.9th percentile for IQ. This is the highest result the test I was given reaches; anything further and they'd consider it to be within the margin of error for that test. My mother's boyfriend of 8 years is an aerospace engineer who graduated Virginia Tech. At the age of 15, I understood physics better than him, and I owe very little of it to him, as he would rarely give me a decent explanation of anything, just tell me that my ideas were wrong and become aggravated with me for not quite understanding thermodynamics. He's not particularly successful as an engineer, but I've met lots of other engineers who aren't as good as me at physics, so I'm guessing that's not just a result of him being bad at it. I'm also pretty good at engineering. I don't have a degree, and other than physics I don't have a better understanding of any aspect of engineering than any actual engineer, but I have lots of ingenuity for inventing new things. For example, I independently invented regenerative brakes before finding out what they were, and I was only seven or eight years old when I started inventing wireless electricity solutions (my first idea being to use a powerful infrared laser to transmit energy; admittedly not the best plan). I have independently thought of basically every branch of philosophy I've come across. Every question of existentialism which I've seen discussed in SMBC or xkcd or Reddit or anywhere else, the thoughts haven't been new to me. Philosophy has pretty much gotten trivial for me; I've considered taking a philosophy course just to see how easy it is. Psychology, I actually understand better than people with degrees. Unlike engineering, there's no aspect of psychology which I don't have a very good understanding of. I can debunk many of even Sigmund Freud's theories. I'm a good enough writer that I'm writing a book and so far everybody who's read any of it has said it was really good and plausible to expect to have published. And that's not just, like, me and family members, that counts strangers on the Internet. I've heard zero negative appraisal of it so far; people have critiqued it, but not insulted it. I don't know if that will suffice as evidence that I'm intelligent. I'm done with it, though, because I'd rather defend my maturity, since it's what you've spent the most time attacking. The following are some examples of my morals and ethical code. I believe firmly that everybody deserves a future. If we were to capture Hitler at the end of WWII, I would be against executing him. In fact, if we had any way of rehabilitating him and knowing that he wasn't just faking it, I'd even support the concept of letting him go free. This is essentially because I think that whoever you are in the present is a separate entity from who you were in the past and who you are in the future, and while your present self should take responsibility for your past self's actions, it shouldn't be punished for them simply for the sake of punishment, especially if the present self regrets the actions of the past self and feels genuine guilt about them. I don't believe in judgement of people based on their personal choices as long as those personal choices aren't harming others. I don't have any issue with any type of sexuality whatsoever (short of physically acting out necrophilia, pedophilia, or other acts which have a harmful affect on others - but I don't care what a person's fantasies consist of, as long as they recognize the difference between reality and fiction and can separate them). I don't have any issue with anybody over what type of music they listen to, or clothes they wear, etc. I know that's not really an impressive moral, but it's unfortunately rare; a great many people, especially those my age, are judgmental about these things. I love everyone, even people I hate. I wish my worst enemies good fortune and happiness. Rick Perry is a vile, piece of shit human being, deserving of zero respect, but I wish for him to change for the better and live the best life possible. I wish this for everyone. I'm pretty much a pacifist. I've taken a broken nose without fighting back or seeking retribution, because the guy stopped punching after that. The only time I'll fight back is if 1) the person attacking me shows no signs of stopping and 2) if I don't attack, I'll come out worse than the other person will if I do. In other words, if fighting someone is going to end up being more harmful to them than just letting them go will be to me, I don't fight back. I've therefore never had a reason to fight back against anyone in anything serious, because my ability to take pain has so far made it so that I'm never in a situation where I'll be worse off after a fight. If I'm not going to get any hospitalizing injuries, I really don't care. The only exception is if someone is going after my life. Even then, I'll do the minimum amount of harm to them that I possibly can in protecting myself. If someone points a gun at me and I can get out of it without harming them, I'd prefer to do that over killing them. I don't consider myself a feminist. I don't believe in enforced or uniform gender roles; they may happen naturally, but they should never be coerced into happening unnaturally. As in, the societal pressure for gender roles should really go, even if it'll turn out that the majority of relationships continue operating the same way of their own accord. I treat women with the same outlook I treat men, and never participate in the old "women are crazy" circlejerk, because there are multiple women out there and each have different personalities just like there are multiple men out there and each with different personalities. I don't think you do much of anything except scare off the awesome women out there by going on and on about the ones who aren't awesome. That doesn't mean I look for places to victimize women, I just don't believe it's fair to make generalizations such as the one about women acting like everything's OK when it's really not (and that's a particularly harsh example, because all humans do that). I'm kind of tired of citing these examples and I'm guessing you're getting tired of reading them, if you've even made it this far. In closing, the people who know me in real life all respect me, as do a great many people in the Reddit brony community, where I spend most of my time and where I'm pretty known for being helpful around the community. A lot of people in my segment of the community are depressed or going through hard times, and I spend a lot of time giving advice and support to people there. Yesterday someone quoted a case of me doing this in a post asking everyone what their favorite motivational/inspirational quote was, and that comment was second to the top, so I guess other people agreed (though, granted, it was a pretty low-traffic post, only about a dozen competing comments). And, uh, I'm a pretty good moderator. All that, and I think your behavior in this thread was totally assholish. So what do you think, now that you at least slightly know me?
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Catenaccio

Senior Member
Jul 15, 2002
3,363
Sell Pogba, Zaza and Pereyra for a combined 175 mio. Get Pipita and James for a combined 165 mio. Play 3-4-1-2:

BBC
Alves-Pjanic-Khedira-AS
James
Dybala-Higuain

I would be okay with that. Get pjaca and Black Jesus. Stop dealing with that fat $#@! Raiola.
No way we are getting BOTH James and Higuain.
 
Aug 12, 2015
981
guys you already talk as if it's a "done deal" well it's not. Like it wasn't in the past 3 years where for all media Pogba was already sold.
I'm positive about it. Juventus management will delay till next summer. The player is 23yrs old, has a 3 years deal pending, we already lost Marchisio for half of the season and Khedira is injury prone. All that and you would sell your main cm just cause we got Pjanic? and maybe Matic? that would be a suicide.
We will get the same money next summer so there is not a single reason to sell Pogba!
And even if he come to ask to leave we could convince him to stay one more year since we wanna try winning champions league and our new players show that.
We could renew his contract and give him more money but most of it would he really leave for a Europa League playing team? he could go there next year ONCE they actually acquire champions league.

So calm your tits and don't believe media rumors. Those united fans can keep fapping themself to death for what i care.
We don´t know how Paul thinks and what he really wants. Maybe he want now to earn more and therefor he wants to leave, because he would earn about 10 Millions more than he earns now. So there could be a logical reasen why he wants to go to ManU. You would also consider to change your job if you would get an offer where you earn 100 % more for the same work.
 

Valerio.

Senior Member
Jul 5, 2014
5,762
We don´t know how Paul thinks and what he really wants. Maybe he want now to earn more and therefor he wants to leave, because he would earn about 10 Millions more than he earns now. So there could be a logical reasen why he wants to go to ManU. You would also consider to change your job if you would get an offer where you earn 100 % more for the same work.
depends on the number but actually everyone is using different numbers.
Either it's 10m/year or 13-14-20?
And what you guys don't consider is that the players get their money from sponsorship deals not from their club.
Unless you're an unknown player.
Raiola so far denied it.
Marotta as well
Pogba still in holiday with his friends.
It the same bullshit to make english readers go nuts.
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
It should be noted that I've +repped every single person who's disagreed with me here, as far as I know. That said. In 7th grade, I took an SAT test without preparing for it at all, it was spur-of-the-moment, I knew about it about an hour ahead of time and didn't do any research or anything. I scored higher on it than the average person using it to apply for college in my area. An IQ test has shown me to be in the 99.9th percentile for IQ. This is the highest result the test I was given reaches; anything further and they'd consider it to be within the margin of error for that test. My mother's boyfriend of 8 years is an aerospace engineer who graduated Virginia Tech. At the age of 15, I understood physics better than him, and I owe very little of it to him, as he would rarely give me a decent explanation of anything, just tell me that my ideas were wrong and become aggravated with me for not quite understanding thermodynamics. He's not particularly successful as an engineer, but I've met lots of other engineers who aren't as good as me at physics, so I'm guessing that's not just a result of him being bad at it. I'm also pretty good at engineering. I don't have a degree, and other than physics I don't have a better understanding of any aspect of engineering than any actual engineer, but I have lots of ingenuity for inventing new things. For example, I independently invented regenerative brakes before finding out what they were, and I was only seven or eight years old when I started inventing wireless electricity solutions (my first idea being to use a powerful infrared laser to transmit energy; admittedly not the best plan). I have independently thought of basically every branch of philosophy I've come across. Every question of existentialism which I've seen discussed in SMBC or xkcd or Reddit or anywhere else, the thoughts haven't been new to me. Philosophy has pretty much gotten trivial for me; I've considered taking a philosophy course just to see how easy it is. Psychology, I actually understand better than people with degrees. Unlike engineering, there's no aspect of psychology which I don't have a very good understanding of. I can debunk many of even Sigmund Freud's theories. I'm a good enough writer that I'm writing a book and so far everybody who's read any of it has said it was really good and plausible to expect to have published. And that's not just, like, me and family members, that counts strangers on the Internet. I've heard zero negative appraisal of it so far; people have critiqued it, but not insulted it. I don't know if that will suffice as evidence that I'm intelligent. I'm done with it, though, because I'd rather defend my maturity, since it's what you've spent the most time attacking. The following are some examples of my morals and ethical code. I believe firmly that everybody deserves a future. If we were to capture Hitler at the end of WWII, I would be against executing him. In fact, if we had any way of rehabilitating him and knowing that he wasn't just faking it, I'd even support the concept of letting him go free. This is essentially because I think that whoever you are in the present is a separate entity from who you were in the past and who you are in the future, and while your present self should take responsibility for your past self's actions, it shouldn't be punished for them simply for the sake of punishment, especially if the present self regrets the actions of the past self and feels genuine guilt about them. I don't believe in judgement of people based on their personal choices as long as those personal choices aren't harming others. I don't have any issue with any type of sexuality whatsoever (short of physically acting out necrophilia, pedophilia, or other acts which have a harmful affect on others - but I don't care what a person's fantasies consist of, as long as they recognize the difference between reality and fiction and can separate them). I don't have any issue with anybody over what type of music they listen to, or clothes they wear, etc. I know that's not really an impressive moral, but it's unfortunately rare; a great many people, especially those my age, are judgmental about these things. I love everyone, even people I hate. I wish my worst enemies good fortune and happiness. Rick Perry is a vile, piece of shit human being, deserving of zero respect, but I wish for him to change for the better and live the best life possible. I wish this for everyone. I'm pretty much a pacifist. I've taken a broken nose without fighting back or seeking retribution, because the guy stopped punching after that. The only time I'll fight back is if 1) the person attacking me shows no signs of stopping and 2) if I don't attack, I'll come out worse than the other person will if I do. In other words, if fighting someone is going to end up being more harmful to them than just letting them go will be to me, I don't fight back. I've therefore never had a reason to fight back against anyone in anything serious, because my ability to take pain has so far made it so that I'm never in a situation where I'll be worse off after a fight. If I'm not going to get any hospitalizing injuries, I really don't care. The only exception is if someone is going after my life. Even then, I'll do the minimum amount of harm to them that I possibly can in protecting myself. If someone points a gun at me and I can get out of it without harming them, I'd prefer to do that over killing them. I don't consider myself a feminist. I don't believe in enforced or uniform gender roles; they may happen naturally, but they should never be coerced into happening unnaturally. As in, the societal pressure for gender roles should really go, even if it'll turn out that the majority of relationships continue operating the same way of their own accord. I treat women with the same outlook I treat men, and never participate in the old "women are crazy" circlejerk, because there are multiple women out there and each have different personalities just like there are multiple men out there and each with different personalities. I don't think you do much of anything except scare off the awesome women out there by going on and on about the ones who aren't awesome. That doesn't mean I look for places to victimize women, I just don't believe it's fair to make generalizations such as the one about women acting like everything's OK when it's really not (and that's a particularly harsh example, because all humans do that). I'm kind of tired of citing these examples and I'm guessing you're getting tired of reading them, if you've even made it this far. In closing, the people who know me in real life all respect me, as do a great many people in the Reddit brony community, where I spend most of my time and where I'm pretty known for being helpful around the community. A lot of people in my segment of the community are depressed or going through hard times, and I spend a lot of time giving advice and support to people there. Yesterday someone quoted a case of me doing this in a post asking everyone what their favorite motivational/inspirational quote was, and that comment was second to the top, so I guess other people agreed (though, granted, it was a pretty low-traffic post, only about a dozen competing comments). And, uh, I'm a pretty good moderator. All that, and I think your behavior in this thread was totally assholish. So what do you think, now that you at least slightly know me?
Please tell me the book you're writing/wrote acknowledges paragraphs in writing
 
Aug 12, 2015
981
depends on the number but actually everyone is using different numbers.
Either it's 10m/year or 13-14-20?
And what you guys don't consider is that the players get their money from sponsorship deals not from their club.
Unless you're an unknown player.
Raiola so far denied it.
Marotta as well
Pogba still in holiday with his friends.
It the same bull$#@! to make english readers go nuts.
yeah but the fact is, in Manchester he would earn about 10 Mio more than he earns now, no matter who pay (manchester, juventus or sponsorship)
 

Art^

StrikerMania Champ 2004
Jan 11, 2003
2,905
This is a win-win situation. Either we get a shitload of money to reinvist - or we get to keep Pogba.

I really don't see us as a lesser club for going with either of the options.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,020
yeah but the fact is, in Manchester he would earn about 10 Mio more than he earns now, no matter who pay (manchester, juventus or sponsorship)
This myth never seem to go away.

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This is a win-win situation. Either we get a shitload of money to reinvist - or we get to keep Pogba.

I really don't see us as a lesser club for going with either of the options.
Except that after Vidal we're losing another top player and no one can guarantee that the likes of Dybala or Sandro wouldn't be next.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
This is a win-win situation. Either we get a shitload of money to reinvist - or we get to keep Pogba.

I really don't see us as a lesser club for going with either of the options.
:agree:

No point in melting down at all. If ManU breaks the transfer record we come out far ahead in this deal if Beppe invests wisely. We could easily end up a better team after all is said and done.

Ideally I'd like to keep him for another season or two and see how he develops and if we can make that CL run... But all this ridiculous posturing from Raiola and the press is irritating as hell. So I'm fine either way. Win-win for us.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,944
This is a win-win situation. Either we get a shitload of money to reinvist - or we get to keep Pogba.

I really don't see us as a lesser club for going with either of the options.
We might not see ourselves that way, but other players might. It sets a precedent. And I think we'll lose Dybala very soon too if we don't dig in and try to keep hold of our top players.
 

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