You know Raiola. He would sell his 16yo daughter to Berlusconi. I am not mad at him, it's just how he has always worked. It's our board's task to shut him the fuck up in one way or another.
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Selling Pogba will end in a similiar disaster like Liverpool selling Suarez or Milan selling Ibrahimovic. Our squad is old, Tevez is going to leave in 2016, Morata will leave once he reached a certain level for sure and the money we will receive from selling Pogba won't open as many doors as we think. There are not going to be too many great players on the market, other clubs will have as much money without selling anyone (fierce competition) and the prices will be inflated. Our salary limit will prevent us from being able to sign more than 2 really strong players anyway. I laughed at Liverpool fans about their fantasies what they all will do with the Suarez money and i will laugh at all the Juventus fans who have all this unrealistic fantasies what will be done with the money we could get from selling Pogba.
The value of a top player is consistent for many years, money and its value on the other hand is gone very quickly, those large amounts of money seem more valuable than they actually are in comparison. Money you receive once is vastly overrated. A good sponsorship deal is ten times as powerful. It can happen quickly that you sell a valuable piece of your team in good hope and look back a few months later and think what the fuck. There are enough examples of this.
Raiola doesn't have as much power as some think, PSG, Bayern or Real in our position just would tell him to fuck off, laugh at him and keep Pogba no matter what if he would tell them Pogba wants to leave. Maybe the would give him an increase, but we should do that anyway at the end of the year if he continues like that. Bayern did it with Ribery for example, they kept him against his will, despite his agreement with Real. And Pogba is much more professional than Ribery, he will give his best as long as we keep him, especially in the year of the Euros. Those clubs have balls, they are not submissive, while we complain like pussys. Agnelli should work his ass off to get some money from Exor/Fiat instead of complaining.
We should keep Pogba at least until 2017 no matter what. Everything else is a failure and a terrible decision by the management. We need a management that is tough. The power lies with the club when there is a long term contract, there are clubs who realize that and there are clubs who believe the "all the power is with the player" bullshit and submit to their every need. Maybe we need more sociopaths in the club. Nedved, Agnelli and Marotta are too nice.
The value of a top player is consistent for many years, money and its value on the other hand is gone very quickly, those large amounts of money seem more valuable than they actually are in comparison. Money you receive once is vastly overrated. A good sponsorship deal is ten times as powerful. It can happen quickly that you sell a valuable piece of your team in good hope and look back a few months later and think what the fuck. There are enough examples of this.
Raiola doesn't have as much power as some think, PSG, Bayern or Real in our position just would tell him to fuck off, laugh at him and keep Pogba no matter what if he would tell them Pogba wants to leave. Maybe the would give him an increase, but we should do that anyway at the end of the year if he continues like that. Bayern did it with Ribery for example, they kept him against his will, despite his agreement with Real. And Pogba is much more professional than Ribery, he will give his best as long as we keep him, especially in the year of the Euros. Those clubs have balls, they are not submissive, while we complain like pussys. Agnelli should work his ass off to get some money from Exor/Fiat instead of complaining.
We should keep Pogba at least until 2017 no matter what. Everything else is a failure and a terrible decision by the management. We need a management that is tough. The power lies with the club when there is a long term contract, there are clubs who realize that and there are clubs who believe the "all the power is with the player" bullshit and submit to their every need. Maybe we need more sociopaths in the club. Nedved, Agnelli and Marotta are too nice.
I agree with this too. 
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Maybe Pavel orchestrated the move for Pogba from manU to here? Sooner or later, unless we strike cold somewhere, we will need the money if we are to make a serious jump UNLESS Pogba is willing to see this "project" through in the long term then that's another story.
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Pavel will take care of this. 
but still...
but still...
My only concern with Pogba right now is that he is so young in comparison to Nedved when he was chased at Juve.
Raiola could very well mindgame the shid out of him and convince him to go to shiny white real madrid.
If the rumours of Juve being behind this are true... then it could be very sad... or it could be that they have a masterplan to rebuild the team.
On the other hand... im hoping that they will do all what it takes to keep him in Juventus.... but then they will face the problem of having to forcefully create a team which goes at the very least, close to CL winner standards.
Otherwise i dont see Pogba staying for much... like the fat one says.
Raiola could very well mindgame the shid out of him and convince him to go to shiny white real madrid.
If the rumours of Juve being behind this are true... then it could be very sad... or it could be that they have a masterplan to rebuild the team.
On the other hand... im hoping that they will do all what it takes to keep him in Juventus.... but then they will face the problem of having to forcefully create a team which goes at the very least, close to CL winner standards.
Otherwise i dont see Pogba staying for much... like the fat one says.
Maybe in a years time when Tevez sees out his contract that will help free up some more for a contract renewal but then again kiss the likes of signing a Falcao/Cavani away.
Pogba is indeed a game changer but I'd prefer a 20-25 goal a season striker because they will secure more points in a season than Pogba ever could.
Pogba is indeed a game changer but I'd prefer a 20-25 goal a season striker because they will secure more points in a season than Pogba ever could.
Selling Pogba will end in a similiar disaster like Liverpool selling Suarez or Milan selling Ibrahimovic. Our squad is old, Tevez is going to leave in 2016, Morata will leave once he reached a certain level for sure and the money we will receive from selling Pogba won't open as many doors as we think. There are not going to be too many great players on the market, other clubs will have as much money without selling anyone (fierce competition) and the prices will be inflated. Our salary limit will prevent us from being able to sign more than 2 really strong players anyway. I laughed at Liverpool fans about their fantasies what they all will do with the Suarez money and i will laugh at all the Juventus fans who have all this unrealistic fantasies what will be done with the money we could get from selling Pogba.
The value of a top player is consistent for many years, money and its value on the other hand is gone very quickly, those large amounts of money seem more valuable than they actually are in comparison. Money you receive once is vastly overrated. A good sponsorship deal is ten times as powerful. It can happen quickly that you sell a valuable piece of your team in good hope and look back a few months later and think what the $#@!. There are enough examples of this.
Raiola doesn't have as much power as some think, PSG, Bayern or Real in our position just would tell him to $#@! off, laugh at him and keep Pogba no matter what if he would tell them Pogba wants to leave. Maybe the would give him an increase, but we should do that anyway at the end of the year if he continues like that. Bayern did it with Ribery for example, they kept him against his will, despite his agreement with Real. And Pogba is much more professional than Ribery, he will give his best as long as we keep him, especially in the year of the Euros. Those clubs have balls, they are not submissive, while we complain like pussys. Agnelli should work his ass off to get some money from Exor/Fiat instead of complaining.
We should keep Pogba at least until 2017 no matter what. Everything else is a failure and a terrible decision by the management. We need a management that is tough. The power lies with the club when there is a long term contract, there are clubs who realize that and there are clubs who believe the "all the power is with the player" bull$#@! and submit to their every need. Maybe we need more sociopaths in the club. Nedved, Agnelli and Marotta are too nice.
The value of a top player is consistent for many years, money and its value on the other hand is gone very quickly, those large amounts of money seem more valuable than they actually are in comparison. Money you receive once is vastly overrated. A good sponsorship deal is ten times as powerful. It can happen quickly that you sell a valuable piece of your team in good hope and look back a few months later and think what the $#@!. There are enough examples of this.
Raiola doesn't have as much power as some think, PSG, Bayern or Real in our position just would tell him to $#@! off, laugh at him and keep Pogba no matter what if he would tell them Pogba wants to leave. Maybe the would give him an increase, but we should do that anyway at the end of the year if he continues like that. Bayern did it with Ribery for example, they kept him against his will, despite his agreement with Real. And Pogba is much more professional than Ribery, he will give his best as long as we keep him, especially in the year of the Euros. Those clubs have balls, they are not submissive, while we complain like pussys. Agnelli should work his ass off to get some money from Exor/Fiat instead of complaining.
We should keep Pogba at least until 2017 no matter what. Everything else is a failure and a terrible decision by the management. We need a management that is tough. The power lies with the club when there is a long term contract, there are clubs who realize that and there are clubs who believe the "all the power is with the player" bull$#@! and submit to their every need. Maybe we need more sociopaths in the club. Nedved, Agnelli and Marotta are too nice.
Thing is, i don't see much difference between selling and keeping Pogba, with him or without him we will continue to dominate Serie A and fail in the UCL, maybe he could be the difference between the first knockout round and the QTR final but we won't progress beyond that anytime soon, on paper the money specially if it's a record deal is worth it however i have some strong doubts about Marotta's ability to spend it in the right place and this is why i don't see us improving to reach the UCL semi final level anytime soon.
Really? I'm scared it will be someone much worse If Pogba doesn't join PSG I really don't see Verratti coming here, he's important for them and they can put any price on him.
Pogba is irreplaceable as an individual because he is a technical and physical alien hybrid, just as Zidane was irreplaceable at the time, at least directly. But when the time comes it's important we sign players of sufficient quality and with some experience, they have to be ones 18-25 who we can get years out of.
If Pogba doesn't join PSG I really don't see Verratti coming here, he's important for them and they can put any price on him.Pogba is irreplaceable as an individual because he is a technical and physical alien hybrid, just as Zidane was irreplaceable at the time, at least directly. But when the time comes it's important we sign players of sufficient quality and with some experience, they have to be ones 18-25 who we can get years out of.
