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[Zacheryah]

People that cannot understand tactics, or comprehend the italian way of defending beeing a midfielder, should stop passing their armchair judgement over marchisio.

As you might have noticed, we arent a fluid fancy samba team.

 

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[Ragazza]

That's why we've received so may lucrative offers for him lately.

You would if you put him on the market though.

 

[am0110]

Marchisio would walk into Inter, City, United, Tottenham, Liverpool, Napoli, Milan, Arsenal,Monaco, PSG and arguably chelsea's midfield. He could also put up a great fight against Khedira. He is by no means a bad player or even a mediocre one. There arent many better CMs out there.

He would walk into and after two stealth performances bench would be waiting.

 

[Zacheryah]

He would walk into and after two stealth performances bench would be waiting.

yeah, what an idiot that conte for putting his full trust into him.

A mediocre coach like him will never achieve anything !

 

[Gep]

you think all the guys chase after the hot girl or the ugly one?

Let Arnold Schwarzenegger answer that one

 

[Vlad]

Wow, somebody's really gotten to you, yeah? Somebody who's was trashing Vidal, maybe? Although I can't think of why any Juve fan in their right mind would do that.

Marchisio's definitely been fundamental, as in one of the first names on the coach's team sheet, game in and game out; this is a player who has been through the dark days with the club, and a man who has played a very significant role in Juventus' return to domestic glory. Juventus' managers have always been able to trust Marchisio to do the right thing in matches, in training, and away from the pitch -- he's a true professional. You can see it in the way our previous generation welcomed him into the fold, he's beloved by all our players. He's a guy who will do whatever he's ask to do on the pitch, whether that's friggin' LM, or playing as an AM - he's always up for putting the club first. 2 seasons ago he was very consistent, and outstanding; last year, his performances were obviously more variable, but he is very worthy of this club, and should be starting until another player tears that starting spot from his grasp. It's all about competition at Juve, and we're going to see more midfield rotation starting right now. Pirlo is getting old, Pogba is getting phenomenal - the balance for playing time will sort itself out eventually.

Many players have stayed with us during dark days and I respect them along with other fans. While other European clubs were taking advantage of our situation players like Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon, Trezeguet, Camo etc had showed us the other aspect of the game. Aspect almost forgotten in recent times. How Marchisio fits there? He was youth player, our product who suddenly got an opportunity to play in this club. Circumstances of that period were one of determinants of his position. I honestly can't see Marchisio as a starter for Juventus pre calciopolli. Bench player? Maybe but even that would be challenging for him. In those indeed dark times let's focus on 2 mediocre years by this club's standard, was he among our best players, players that you could single out and praise for their contribution or did he just blend in among the rest of them? He could have been easily replaced and you wouldn't see the difference back then just like with the vast majority of our team. He's fundamental in our uprise? He certainly played his role. First part of the 2011/12 was the best one in his career but after that his performances went back to the usual one, one that were so often frustrating to watch. In other words he returned to be very inconsistent like in prior times although arguably improved his game little bit and as you said was part of the first team but foremost in lack of better alternatives. This season will be the challenging one for him. Pogba posses world class talent and benching him to appease Marchisio can't be an option. He already showed his insecurity this summer and complained in media over his status. Something similar he did 2 years ago when Vidal was brought. As things stand either Pirlo or he will be under heavy scope and the ones whose position is threatened the most. If you take a look at the last part of our 2012/13 season you will see that Pogba pushed out Marchisio from the midfield. Conte played 3511 to accommodate our young talented player.

For the first part NO. Let's not make this personal, okay?

No bud, you didn't hurt my feelings, I didn't know you had been insulting Marchisio in his thread because I don't really go into that thread to post often - especially offseason. I rarely go into the Bonucci or Giovinco threads to post either these days, because I got sick of having to read all the horseshit that spoiled fans were posting about our own goddamn players. People need to get outside, ffs, get some of that aggression out in other ways. (Edit: that came off a little strong, not intended to be a direct shot at you, just a reference to the trend on the forum - especially the past couple years, now that we're flush).

Couldn't agree more.

Oh, and this word "Champions" if you want to twist yourself in knots, and apply the euro-multitranslation-footy-centric definition, that's your prerogative. In every other sport under the Sun, once you win a championship, you are technically a champion of that competition. I guess it's down to vernacular; I consider what you consider "Champions", to be "World Class Players". Zidane. Ale. Buffon. Nedved. etc. Those guys are World Class. Our players are Champions... two time reigning champions, to be more precise

I think both of us know that term champion is used when describing player of certain character but I'll play along with you for the sake of it.

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You would if you put him on the market though.

It doesn't matter. Have Milan put Ibra or Silva on the market last year, Inter Eto'o, Arsenal Fabregas etc? It didn't stop other clubs from bidding.

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People that cannot understand tactics, or comprehend the italian way of defending beeing a midfielder, should stop passing their armchair judgement over marchisio.

As you might have noticed, we arent a fluid fancy samba team.

I don't know if you have taken indirect swipe at me but next time I'll consult with you whether I can give my input over tactical related issues. Okay now?

 

[Rollie]

Many players have stayed with us during dark days and I respect them along with other fans. While other European clubs were taking advantage of our situation players like Del Piero, Nedved, Buffon, Trezeguet, Camo etc had showed us the other aspect of the game. Aspect almost forgotten in recent times. How Marchisio fits there?

Why do you keep doing this? You are still comparing a quality 27 year old to a group of legends who have basically finished their careers. Stop there, nowhere in what I wrote will you see me comparing his quality/ability to the guys you mentioned. By the way, those players you mentioned? They LOVED having Claudio in the team.

He was youth player, our product who suddenly got an opportunity to play in this club. Circumstances of that period were one of determinants of his position. I honestly can't see Marchisio as a starter for Juventus pre calciopolli. Bench player? Maybe but even that would be challenging for him. In those indeed dark times let's focus on 2 mediocre years by this club's standard, was he among our best players, players that you could single out and praise for their contribution or did he just blend in among the rest of them? He could have been easily replaced and you wouldn't see the difference back then just like with the vast majority of our team.

Bud, that Juventus team pre-calciopoli was a special team. What did we have, 7 or 8 starters between Italy and France at that WC final? To suggest that he's not good enough at this point in his career to make the bench on that team is overdoing it. He would have had less playing time during his earlier years, but he still would have made the team, managers LOVE this guy. I really think you are underestimating a lot of the details and intangibles Marchisio brings to the table.

He's fundamental in our uprise? He certainly played his role. First part of the 2011/12 was the best one in his career but after that his performances went back to the usual one, one that were so often frustrating to watch. In other words he returned to be very inconsistent like in prior times although arguably improved his game little bit and as you said was part of the first team but foremost in lack of better alternatives.

Yes, he has been fundamental in our uprise, for all the reasons I mentioned in the last post. He has been a calming source of leadership in the locker room, and somebody our managers have leaned on HUGELY through the chaotic Calciopoli aftermath, through the transition to life at Juve without the old guard.

This season will be the challenging one for him. Pogba posses world class talent and benching him to appease Marchisio can't be an option. He already showed his insecurity this summer and complained in media over his status. Something similar he did 2 years ago when Vidal was brought. As things stand either Pirlo or he will be under heavy scope and the ones whose position is threatened the most. If you take a look at the last part of our 2012/13 season you will see that Pogba pushed out Marchisio from the midfield. Conte played 3511 to accommodate our young talented player.

Every season should be challenging for him, like I said, Juventus is all about competition. That's the whole point though, DP84: Pogba has to EARN his spot, and he did a lot last year moving in that direction. If he's continues along that path, he'll get his starters minutes. With a youngster though, you have to make it a process. He needs to know the structure, and he's got to be mature; a player of Pogba's quality is also extremely well served by learning some humility at this age. He needs to earn everything he gets, just like everyone else - it'll help his career in the long run.

Claudio has been answering the medias questions, that's all. He hasn't complained about his 'status' at the club, he was complaining about having to answer media questions about his 'status' at the club year after year; he was just frustrated that EVERY season the media is linking him with a move, trying to unsettle things, despite the fact he has always dreamed of spending his career at the club. The media love provocation, they want to sell those papers.

Oh, and between you and me, you can spin that situation about Marchisio being pushed forward in that 3-5-1-1 in a slightly different way, if you choose to: once again, Marchisio demonstrated that he was willing to do whatever the team needed, and once again, Conte still thought too much of Marchisio to drop him. Our manager sees his greater worth to the club, even if you don't.

I think both of us know that term champion is used when describing player of certain character but I'll play along with you for the sake of it.

Two time reigning CHAMPIONSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[Vlad]

Bud, that Juventus team pre-calciopoli was a special team. What did we have, 7 or 8 starters between Italy and France at that WC final? To suggest that he's not good enough at this point in his career to make the bench on that team is overdoing it. He would have had less playing time during his earlier years, but he still would have made the team, managers LOVE this guy. I really think you are underestimating a lot of the details and intangibles Marchisio brings to the table.

It was special team and Juventus aiming for European glory should always look like that. That's the whole point. Marchisio in a team that is considered CL contender is nothing more than a bench option if that. We'll see what this season brings us but I can see few possibilities lying ahead.

Yes, he has been fundamental in our uprise, for all the reasons I mentioned in the last post. He has been a calming source of leadership in the locker room, and somebody our managers have leaned on HUGELY through the chaotic Calciopoli aftermath, through the transition to life at Juve without the old guard.

Can't agree. No matter how you spin this one he's always been inconsistent. Fundamental players for our b2b titles were Vidal, Barzagli, Pirlo, Chiellini. In that period he had some good games but not enough to be considered fundamental. Before Conte's arrival in a period 2009-2011 he pretty much was another promising midfielder who didn't live up to his potential. He has been our leader? Our managers leaned on him? Who's overdoing it now? Where were Buffon, Del Piero, Chiellini in that period if we consider those two chaotic years? Even now I can count at least 5 players with more influence on the pitch than him and probably in the locker room as well.

Oh, and between you and me, you can spin that situation about Marchisio being pushed forward in that 3-5-1-1 in a slightly different way, if you choose to: once again, Marchisio demonstrated that he was willing to do whatever the team needed, and once again, Conte still thought too much of Marchisio to drop him. Our manager sees his greater worth to the club, even if you don't.

It was evident that Conte tried to find the place for all of them. Did Marchisio performed as AM adequately? He's been called versatile many times but apart from CM and that is only if he has 2 other mids beside, he flopped where ever he was moved, be it LW, LM, AM...

Two time reigning CHAMPIONSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[Rollie]

It was special team and Juventus aiming for European glory should always look like that. That's the whole point. Marchisio in a team that is consider CL contender is nothing more than a bench option if that. We'll see what this season brings us but I can see few possibilities lying ahead.

It's all out there to play for. I can see the potential for a great number of possibilities ahead, including Vidal being sold, Pogba being sold, Marchisio being sold. Us buying a LWB, and then Asa maybe taking his chances and showing a great deal at CM. Any of those players picking up a major injury. Any of those players suffering some extraordinary personal issues, and losing their form for an extended period... there are a ton of possibilities. Right now, we have what is arguably a top 3 midfield in the world (I tell all my friends it's the best ) so we're spoiled for choice, but things can change quickly. The "whole point" is that all of our players should be supported, and that Juventus should function as a meritocracy -- which I think it generally does under Conte. Which is why Claudio has been playing, because he has deserved to. That will change when it changes. The man deserves the respect of the fans.

Can't agree. No matter how you spin this one he's always been inconsistent. Fundamental players for our b2b titles were Vidal, Barzagli, Pirlo, Chiellini. In that period he had some good games but not enough to be considered fundamental. Before Conte's arrival in a period 2009-2011 he pretty much was another promising midfielder who didn't live up to his potential. He has been or leader? Our managers leaned on him? Who's overdoing now? Where were Buffon, Del Piero, Chiellini in that period if we consider those two chaotic years?

Well I thoroughly disagree that he's "always" been inconsistent (you yourself said he had a great 2011-2012), although I think it's fair to say that last season he could have been more consistent. I often see a great deal of value in his positional play, he will do the gritty work a team needs done to create balance, and he has a well rounded skill set - he has the ability to produce offensively, and that should only improve with two quality distributors like Carlitos and Llorente up top. He's been a stalwart in the side, and spit blood the entire way. He's started 142 league matches for us since 2008-09 (never less than 20), the last few years he's been a guaranteed starter if he's healthy. Fun.Da.Men.Tal.

Before Conte's arrival, Claudio was basically in his first few years as a top level professional, and still very much learning the nuances of the game at that level. He was also being coached by some pretty incompetent individuals, and the club was in turmoil. Despite this, he was included in the 2010 WC squad. That doesn't exactly sound like a flop to me, 24 y/o and playing for the NT is basically every player's dream.

Also, I think that it's impossible to have a list of fundamental players for those titles, and not include guys like Licht, probably Bonucci, and especially Vucinic; without Vucinic, our attack would have been fairly toothless, especially in 2011-2012.

It was evident that Conte tried to find the place for all of them. Did Marchisio performed as AM adequately? He's been called versatile many times but apart from CM and that is only if he has 2 other mids beside he flopped where ever he was moved be it LW, LM, AM...

Definitely not, when Marchisio is deployed as an AM, it drives me insane. Same at LM. He also knows he's not great there, but he's willing to do it for the team. When the coach feels there are better options, that's when we won't have to see that type of shit anymore. That starts now, because we actually have legitimate quality up top, and we're (Edit: relatively) covered wide.

Anyway, I've gotta run, but nice chatting with you, DP84.

 

[Hust]

Still anti-marchisioites

:dielaugh:

 

[Vlad]

Also, I think that it's impossible to have a list of fundamental players for those titles, and not include guys like Licht, probably Bonucci, and especially Vucinic; without Vucinic, our attack would have been fairly toothless, especially in 2011-2012.

I agree Vicinic and Licht should be there.

Anyway, I've gotta run, but nice chatting with you, DP84.

Pleasure was all mine bud.

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Still anti-marchisioites

:dielaugh:

You know Bond's double had an accident few days ago. What have I've been telling you Hustini? You're nothing but a bad luck. We should loan you to the Lazio forum until the game finishes.

 

[Hust]

yeah i know he died

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I wonder if that would work though.

You know, If i joined the opposition forums before every game.

 

[Nzoric]

yeah i know he died

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I wonder if that would work though.

You know, If i joined the opposition forums before every game.

Try it

 

[Tommy]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Dostoevsky]

Marchisio starting ahead of him

What a joke.

POGBAAAAAAAAAA! BEAST!

 

[Alex-444]

[video=dailymotion;x13aoot]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13aoot_1-0_auto[/video]

 

[Tommy]

this guy is the thang.

 

[Alex-444]

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

Marchisio starting ahead of him

What a joke.

POGBAAAAAAAAAA! BEAST!

This.

 

[Lion]

nice goal