Paul Pogba (258 Viewers)

[Hydde]

He's not going anywhere ffs. This is becoming silly, every day, hour, the same bs of his imminent leave. Redundancy, reminds of the days when all that people debated here was 4-3-3 vs 3-5-2 across every thread, or is the stadium too small, rods are obstructing the view, etc... Rinse and repeat.

This is kind of different... because unlike the rods, the 352 debate etc.... Pogba´s case is not totally within our hands and within our power. it depends of a lot fo factors..including our economical stance and what the players really wants.

If we are forced to sell for whatever economical reason, we will sell. If by 2 years time, pogba feels that he reached his goals with us and wants to part to greener pastures..he will be sold.

People talk about inminent sale because if he continues developing like he is doing..... there will be a time when eh will be worth a wage of 10 mils or so..and cost more than 100 mils in the market. How Juve will be able to compete with that?, we will not! and it will all depend on Pogba´s good will toward us.

 

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[zizinho]

Again with this.

 

[Paid-off-Ref]

I don't think you guys quite understand the position of Serie A and Juve when you mention names like Lacazette, Reus, etc. Juve can't afford the wages that are going to be offered elsewhere. Reus is wanted by everyone and Lacazette has Liverpool and Tottenham on him. What does that mean? wages of well over 100k a week without a blink.

That's the reason Pogba is likely sold this summer too. He's being offered wages of 8+ mil net a season. Juve don't offer exit clauses... but they do promise players that they will not block a sale if the player asks to leave for wages that are 15% over their current one at the club and Juve aren't willing to match it. This allows them to get players otherwise nobody of quality would ever come to Juve. You can't block players in today's football world unless you're Bayern (only top club who does it).

That said, Pogba hasn't asked to leave yet. Let's hope it stays this way. Of course, if a 100 mil offer comes in, Juve may have no choice but to sell for their own sake.

What i don't like is that Marotta and Allegri are already hinting consistently that Juve cannot resist a large offer and that wages that are rumored are too high for Juve... seems to me that they are preparing the fans for the inevitable this summer. A shame really.

I never knew that. Are you sure of this?

 

[sportsczy]

Depends on the client and the agent... i'm sure it's only for the top players or transfers in order to attract them. Zidane mentioned it a few years back when he was talking about events that led to his transfer from Juve (said that, besides his desire to play for Madrid, Madrid made a wage offer that one simply cannot refuse and Juve wouldn't match). Jean-Pierre Bernes, who is a well known agent in France, mentioned the 15% thing when he was a guest on a show talking about transfers. Said that some of the top clubs in Serie A are offering 15% exit clauses so that they can get talent to join their league without breaking the taboo about hard figure clauses. Are there any other top clubs in Serie A that don't give hard figure clauses? I just connected the dots.

 

[zizinho]

Depends on the client and the agent... i'm sure it's only for the top players or transfers in order to attract them. Zidane mentioned it a few years back when he was talking about events that led to his transfer from Juve (said that, besides his desire to play for Madrid, Madrid made a wage offer that one simply cannot refuse and Juve wouldn't match). Jean-Pierre Bernes, who is a well known agent in France, mentioned the 15% thing when he was a guest on a show talking about transfers. Said that some of the top clubs in Serie A are offering 15% exit clauses so that they can get talent to join their league without breaking the taboo about hard figure clauses. Are there any other top clubs in Serie A that don't give hard figure clauses? I just connected the dots.

sounds like its not true at all

 

[sportsczy]

That said, Pogba is very happy at Juve. He doesn't want to leave. Only 2 scenarios would change that:
- Juve decide to sell him. Not much he can do there unless it's to a club he is against.
- Someone offers him such a ridiculous wage that, like any human being, he would be stupid to say no.

In his mind, he's not going anywhere though as he is very adamant about Juventus in every interview here in France. Personally, i hope Juve's management SEE that there's an opportunity to build an elite team here and decide to maybe extend the budget for the next 3-4 years and maybe win a CL. All it would take would be to keep Pogba and sign a top CF. The other needs can be filled without changing the financial philosophy.

I just don't understand why Juve wouldn't take that step when the club is so close to making that next step.

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sounds like its not true at all

Jean-Pierre Bernes is highly reliable... he doesn't talk out of his arse. He represents a lot of the top French players. One of the few guys i actually pay attention to. Research who he is.

 

[zizinho]

That said, Pogba is very happy at Juve. He doesn't want to leave. Only 2 scenarios would change that:
- Juve decide to sell him. Not much he can do there unless it's to a club he is against.
- Someone offers him such a ridiculous wage that, like any human being, he would be stupid to say no.

In his mind, he's not going anywhere though as he is very adamant about Juventus in every interview here in France. Personally, i hope Juve's management SEE that there's an opportunity to build an elite team here and decide to maybe extend the budget for the next 3-4 years and maybe win a CL. All it would take would be to keep Pogba and sign a top CF. The other needs can be filled without changing the financial philosophy.

I just don't understand why Juve wouldn't take that step when the club is so close to making that next step.

agree. and juve wont sell him unless he wants out.

Jean-Pierre Bernes is highly reliable... he doesn't talk out of his arse. He represents a lot of the top French players. One of the few guys i actually pay attention to. Research who he is.

i dont doubt he is but i think its a bit different. if a player wants out we will sell him (under our terms). it has nothing to do with clauses and agents demands.

 

[Hydde]

Personally, i hope Juve's management SEE that there's an opportunity to build an elite team here and decide to maybe extend the budget for the next 3-4 years and maybe win a CL. All it would take would be to keep Pogba and sign a top CF. The other needs can be filled without changing the financial philosophy.

I agree with this...lets hope that our finances permit the team do this to break the bank and keep pogba, sign a top dude and win trophies in the coming 4 years,,,,after that then see were we are at.

 

[DelPieroJuve]

 

[Fint]

This is the shittest thing I've seen since I stepped in dog shit the other week

 

[Alex-444]

Omg

 

[Hist]

I believe this is just an excuse of what actually happened and how much damage it did to the club. First of all we always had a better business model than Berlu's Milan, some people would argue we also had a sugar daddy back in the days, but i believe it's not to that ridicolous extent. We always bought when we needed and not for the sake of it, we had an eye for the talent(our scouting network worked fine), we had a growing revenue every year and so on. Those are the facts, what you are basicly saying is "we would be even worse if not for calciopoli" which i find funny, cause that scandal is the mere reason we are not right after Real Madrid in revenue, like we were back in 90's, 2000's. And i dont even want to think that something good came out of Calciopoli. Seria A lost appeal, lost it's stature in 2006 --> that ofc reflected on the potential bigger collective contracts for Tv rights (for Seria A and Europe) --> reflected on Commercial deals with sponsors --> reflected on the clubs revenue, wage structure. You see a pattern?

:applause:

Even if you bracket all these things you said. It is easier to re-structure at your own pace under the financial power of old, the guidance of moggi and coached by capello than under Ranieri, with a completely destroyed brand and with half the squad jumping ship all of a sudden making a loss on every sale.

At the very worst, without calciopoli, we could have sold Ibra for big money, we could have negotiated for the sale of cannavaro, zambrotta and thuram. we could have kept half of them and sold half. we could have phased out our players bit by bit. We could have bought world class young talent to replace the old members. Its simply a different world.

 

[lgorTudor]

Paul will never leave us for salary. That's the reason why he might leave us:

So if we want to make a point we better btfo Dortmund. That's the least. Then we spam money and promises at him. Right at his face, money and promises. Then, as last measure, we threaten to kill Coman if he leaves.

 

[FuriaCeca]

:applause:

Even if you bracket all these things you said. It is easier to re-structure at your own pace under the financial power of old, the guidance of moggi and coached by capello than under Ranieri, with a completely destroyed brand and with half the squad jumping ship all of a sudden making a loss on every sale.

At the very worst, without calciopoli, we could have sold Ibra for big money, we could have negotiated for the sale of cannavaro, zambrotta and thuram. we could have kept half of them and sold half. we could have phased out our players bit by bit. We could have bought world class young talent to replace the old members. Its simply a different world.

+ We would have had CL money from the years 06/07 + 07/08 (I think this alone could be like 120 - 130m).

 

[DanielSz]

Financially on the surface it might make sense to sell pogba but if you look at it deeper and with the future in mind, it's not worth it. He is the most popular player on the team and his brand will only get bigger and juve will reap the rewards of that financially through jersey sales, etc. I trust agnelli and Marotta to see this. Only way Pogba should be sold is if he wants to go, and my gut tells me he doesn't, and won't.

Ps: I don't care what his agent says. He's just doing his job. He can say whatever but at the end of the day, he works FOR Pogba and it's not his decision.

 

[petersmit]

Just saw the headline of tuttosport... Juve fans thinking about starting a kickstarter for pogba wages just so we can keep him awesome if true

 

[blondu]

Just saw the headline of tuttosport... Juve fans thinking about starting a kickstarter for pogba wages just so we can keep him awesome if true

they also said it cannot be done...

 

[Amer]

Keeping him here and buying one top player in the summer - that would by itself be a 10/10 Mercato for me.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Sponsors are chasing him.

Nike (he had a contract with them when he was a kid), Addidas, Puma and Umbro want him.

It seems it's going to be ~5mln/year lol

 

[TheLaz]

Pogba must be #1 on many top clubs' wishlist for the summer. I'm rather sure we'll receive an offer in the region Marotta and Agnelli couldn't refuse. Obviously he'll be tempted to move with new contract and everything. And that goes for however we fare in the CL.

But I agree, if we beat BvB we stand a better chance, especially if we can manage to sign a quality player rather early in the transfer window. That would make it harder for him to leave i guess. Also there's a unique spirit in this squad. On and off the pitch. He's still just 21 - if it wasn't for Raiola id be much more calm..