I don't think most members that support Allegri are overrating him. We're just giving him the benefit of doubt.
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you're all acting like conte is happy with being eliminated. you think he didn't demand 110% in every training session and every match? allegri doesn't have half the winning mentality of conte and you're deluded if you think it's going to be better in the long run. yeah he may get a decent CL result here and there but the conte mentality is going to be lost within half a season if not less and then you'll be saying how great allegri really is..... 
you're all acting like conte is happy with being eliminated. you think he didn't demand 110% in every training session and every match? allegri doesn't have half the winning mentality of conte and you're deluded if you think it's going to be better in the long run. yeah he may get a decent CL result in the end but the conte mentality is going to be lost within half a season if not less and then you'll be saying how great allegri really is.....
Now I definitely prefer Conte to Allegri, 100%
However people are being way too bias here in regards to Conte. I'd dare say at this stage in their respective careers that Allegri is a superior Cup manager. But in the long run Contes motivational skills are far superior. Which is odd because Conte seemed to be the least motivated person around.
However people are being way too bias here in regards to Conte. I'd dare say at this stage in their respective careers that Allegri is a superior Cup manager. But in the long run Contes motivational skills are far superior. Which is odd because Conte seemed to be the least motivated person around.
I don't think you guys realize how bad he is. He could destroy this team in no time. His teams are always rather badly prepared physically to long season and he has no respect from players. He often says things like he doesn't care and gets in conflicts with players.
The pressure on him right now is huge which could cause him make mistakes. I think he's a 'not bad' coach when everything goes well but when problems arise he can't manage to solve them. Conte was actually good at it and he had respect from every player in the squad. He sure acted like a pussy when it came to Europe and I never understood why. It's like he was a lion in Serie A and a mouse in Europe.
The pressure on him right now is huge which could cause him make mistakes. I think he's a 'not bad' coach when everything goes well but when problems arise he can't manage to solve them. Conte was actually good at it and he had respect from every player in the squad. He sure acted like a pussy when it came to Europe and I never understood why. It's like he was a lion in Serie A and a mouse in Europe.
Conte only had 2 seasons in the CL. not really a fair comparison.
12/13 was very good and we only got knocked out by eventual winner and one of the best teams of the decade, completely unrealistic to expect us to beat them.
13/14 wasn't good but we still played well vs madrid but obviously there were some issues mentally in the gala and copenhagen games. maybe lack of motivation from being too successfully domestically or what not sure but yes so far allegri has always done better than that.
from only 2 seasons you can't really say allegri is automatically going to be better than conte, when conte matched allegri's best finish in his first season. say if conte had one more season and we got knocked out in the group stage again I would agree, but really for all we know we could get knocked out in the group stage again. don't forget milan is historically more of a CL team...
12/13 was very good and we only got knocked out by eventual winner and one of the best teams of the decade, completely unrealistic to expect us to beat them.
13/14 wasn't good but we still played well vs madrid but obviously there were some issues mentally in the gala and copenhagen games. maybe lack of motivation from being too successfully domestically or what not sure but yes so far allegri has always done better than that.
from only 2 seasons you can't really say allegri is automatically going to be better than conte, when conte matched allegri's best finish in his first season. say if conte had one more season and we got knocked out in the group stage again I would agree, but really for all we know we could get knocked out in the group stage again. don't forget milan is historically more of a CL team...
seriously, Juve didn't lose that much from the group stage exit.
Juve got €50m broadcasting revenue from Europe in 13/14. (€43m CL+€7m EL)
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles...aorg/Finance/02/11/95/44/2119544_DOWNLOAD.pdf
if Juve went upto quarter final Juve would have got around €55m broadcasting reveneue. an additional €5m... that's excluding gate receipts, Juve played 2 extra home matches in Europe in 13/14 compared to 12/13.
only if Juve won the CL which could have have got Juve €73m, which is an additional €23m, still not €25m. btw Madrid got €57m (CL tv rights) for winning the CL
Juve got €50m broadcasting revenue from Europe in 13/14. (€43m CL+€7m EL)
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles...aorg/Finance/02/11/95/44/2119544_DOWNLOAD.pdf
if Juve went upto quarter final Juve would have got around €55m broadcasting reveneue. an additional €5m... that's excluding gate receipts, Juve played 2 extra home matches in Europe in 13/14 compared to 12/13.
only if Juve won the CL which could have have got Juve €73m, which is an additional €23m, still not €25m. btw Madrid got €57m (CL tv rights) for winning the CL
you're all acting like conte is happy with being eliminated. you think he didn't demand 110% in every training session and every match? allegri doesn't have half the winning mentality of conte and you're deluded if you think it's going to be better in the long run. yeah he may get a decent CL result here and there but the conte mentality is going to be lost within half a season if not less and then you'll be saying how great allegri really is.....
I fully agree with the bolded part, and this is the main, if not only, positive reason of Conte being out.
The other things you said, I'm afraid I don't agree at all. You said the example of Spain is not good, for a silly reason (it's not like they didn't want to win this year, FFS, it's a World Cup, you don't go there to be embarassed conceding 5 in a match and being the first team knocked out, after just 2 matches
YOURS is terrible logic), but I could make you other examples; Manchester City out at the group stage 2 years in a row, England this year at the WC, Real Madrid dei Galacticos out at the Round of 16 for many years, and they all deserved to go out, and didn't win nothing before.
And refereeing mistakes happen but condition matches and you can't deny it, and you can't say we played bad for that being untrue. And bad luck in football is not "crap", you can't foresee everything that happens on the pitch, a bad bouncing on a bad pitch and a good ball becomes dead, an injury, and the same refereeing mistakes can be bad luck. You talk about the match at Istanbul like if it was a normal match under snow, but forget that the pitch was litterally a cropfield, played at 2.00 PM with ONLY their fans, with bad resting, given that we found an hotel over midnight, and you can't know what else can happen in this situations. I'm surprised how can someone be so superficial over such a matter, "a match under snow". That match was madness, but there were other 5 matches where we fully deserved to go through.
But this is football, this is football. And I see people complaining for a year on a CL that we would NOT have won even if we got through like deserved, we'd have crashed in QF/semis, and PROBABLY not even win the Scudetto with Roma pushing behind the whole time. Istanbul was kinda blessing fot this 32nd Scudetto, if it wasn't for the costant whining.
The other things you said, I'm afraid I don't agree at all. You said the example of Spain is not good, for a silly reason (it's not like they didn't want to win this year, FFS, it's a World Cup, you don't go there to be embarassed conceding 5 in a match and being the first team knocked out, after just 2 matches
YOURS is terrible logic), but I could make you other examples; Manchester City out at the group stage 2 years in a row, England this year at the WC, Real Madrid dei Galacticos out at the Round of 16 for many years, and they all deserved to go out, and didn't win nothing before.And refereeing mistakes happen but condition matches and you can't deny it, and you can't say we played bad for that being untrue. And bad luck in football is not "crap", you can't foresee everything that happens on the pitch, a bad bouncing on a bad pitch and a good ball becomes dead, an injury, and the same refereeing mistakes can be bad luck. You talk about the match at Istanbul like if it was a normal match under snow, but forget that the pitch was litterally a cropfield, played at 2.00 PM with ONLY their fans, with bad resting, given that we found an hotel over midnight, and you can't know what else can happen in this situations. I'm surprised how can someone be so superficial over such a matter, "a match under snow". That match was madness, but there were other 5 matches where we fully deserved to go through.
But this is football, this is football. And I see people complaining for a year on a CL that we would NOT have won even if we got through like deserved, we'd have crashed in QF/semis, and PROBABLY not even win the Scudetto with Roma pushing behind the whole time. Istanbul was kinda blessing fot this 32nd Scudetto, if it wasn't for the costant whining.
Obviously Spain wanted to win, but people talk about players not being motivated after winning everything there is to win, a la Spain. What have we done in Europe since 2003 that warrants us turning up and playing like crap? Nothing.
We failed big time, and Conte was a big part of that because quite frankly his attitude was provincial. He always brought up how we were finishing 7th not so long ago as if those 2 7th placed finishes were the norm for Juve before he took over.
Also I disagree with the notion that you can't reach the last 8/4 in the CL without sacrificing the league. We were by far the best team in Serie A and had more than enough to compete on both fronts.
Let's not forget we ended up playing Europa league matches so we were playing plenty of games any way.
Atletico with no bench to speak of won a much more difficult league AND still got into the final. Now i'm not suggesting like the people on here were that we 'follow' the Atletico way, that's stupid. But i'm pointing out deep CL runs do not stop you from winning the league. Especially in our case where there's been no real competition for 2 years.
We failed big time, and Conte was a big part of that because quite frankly his attitude was provincial. He always brought up how we were finishing 7th not so long ago as if those 2 7th placed finishes were the norm for Juve before he took over.
Also I disagree with the notion that you can't reach the last 8/4 in the CL without sacrificing the league. We were by far the best team in Serie A and had more than enough to compete on both fronts.
Let's not forget we ended up playing Europa league matches so we were playing plenty of games any way.
Atletico with no bench to speak of won a much more difficult league AND still got into the final. Now i'm not suggesting like the people on here were that we 'follow' the Atletico way, that's stupid. But i'm pointing out deep CL runs do not stop you from winning the league. Especially in our case where there's been no real competition for 2 years.
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conte has a better win percentage in every competition, are you seriously even trying to compare the 2? get a grip
YES. Somebody call UEFA and tell them we deserved to qualify for the win percentage last 16
'get a grip'
fuck off I already said I prefer Conte but Allegri's taken a group of shit players to the last 16 and even got results against Barcelona with a bunch of midfielders who'd be lucky to make our bench for the coppa.
YES. Somebody call UEFA and tell them we deserved to qualify for the win percentage last 16
'get a grip' fuck off I already said I prefer Conte but Allegri's taken a group of shit players to the last 16 and even got results against Barcelona with a bunch of midfielders who'd be lucky to make our bench for the coppa.
'get a grip'
fuck off I already said I prefer Conte but Allegri's taken a group of shit players to the last 16 and even got results against Barcelona with a bunch of midfielders who'd be lucky to make our bench for the coppa.
no, you said allegri is a superior cup manager, which is statistically wrong, now take your medicine like a grown man, and stop flip flopping.
If you want to talk about fucking statistics then here's one regarding Champions league records
Allegri 3 campaigns, 3 times he's passed the group stage
Conte 2 campaigns 1 time he's passed the group stage
But nah, Conte is a Juve legend so naturally he's 2049094903 better than Allegri in every aspect of management there is.
Allegri 3 campaigns, 3 times he's passed the group stage
Conte 2 campaigns 1 time he's passed the group stage
But nah, Conte is a Juve legend so naturally he's 2049094903 better than Allegri in every aspect of management there is.