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Yep. Racial realism is no better than Nazi Eugenics. Another sham science that tries to demonstrate proof of racial superiorities.
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I feel like people are jumping all over Cam for basically further explicating his position on the issue. It's pretty straightforward in my opinion, even if his initial statement made it seem different. People called him on that initial statement, which was a single sentence with like 5 words. I don't know, it seems a little rash to jump down someone's throat based upon those 5 words without first asking for further explanation. And his further explanation makes the original statement make sense, he wasn't lying or pulling a complete u-turn like some are suggesting.
I disagree with him, but I have no problem with how he went about explaining his position, which has been pretty consistent through the entire thread, even if that one post made it seem different.
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I feel like people are jumping all over Cam for basically further explicating his position on the issue. It's pretty straightforward in my opinion, even if his initial statement made it seem different. People called him on that initial statement, which was a single sentence with like 5 words. I don't know, it seems a little rash to jump down someone's throat based upon those 5 words without first asking for further explanation. And his further explanation makes the original statement make sense, he wasn't lying or pulling a complete u-turn like some are suggesting.
I disagree with him, but I have no problem with how he went about explaining his position, which has been pretty consistent through the entire thread, even if that one post made it seem different.
Poor Bangladesh gets none of the credit.
Well you're against humanity then. Because religion isn't an on/off thing. It's a human creation, and it's innately in our DNA. So you can sit on your smug throne and throw potshots at religions saying you're superior and above all that. But the truth is that you have your own personal metaphysical beliefs in play. Perhaps they don't conform to some well known organized religion, but the truth is that same DNA is in you like every other human.
To believe you are somehow separate, superior, and above that is not only delusional, it's something you will never be able to escape as much as you pretend you can hide from that truth.
That's just nonsensical troll bait. I ain't taking it.
I'm becoming more convinced that Muslims are becoming the social equivalent of gays. People who don't really have any gay acquaintances or accepted gays as family members (despite the obvious signs) will typically broad-brush them as perverted pedophiles and prey on children. Not enough people seem to actually have enough meaningful relationships with Muslims to notice the polar difference between some devout Muslims and the other Muslims who wish to behead them.
I'm not against only Muslims, I'm against all religions, you just need to realize that. After you are OK with that, then we can speak. I'm not a racist really. 
To believe you are somehow separate, superior, and above that is not only delusional, it's something you will never be able to escape as much as you pretend you can hide from that truth.
That's just nonsensical troll bait. I ain't taking it.
I'm becoming more convinced that Muslims are becoming the social equivalent of gays. People who don't really have any gay acquaintances or accepted gays as family members (despite the obvious signs) will typically broad-brush them as perverted pedophiles and prey on children. Not enough people seem to actually have enough meaningful relationships with Muslims to notice the polar difference between some devout Muslims and the other Muslims who wish to behead them.
Sure Islamic Jihad could be described as a cult. ISIS as an organisation have very cult-like characteristics in the way they recruit and retain their members. They're very good at demonizing the non-believing friends and family of new members to give one example. But wahhabism, Islamic Jihad etc. is only a branch of Islam that constitutes an extremist minority. Only fear can explain the backlash against Islam as a whole. How could anyone differentiate between a moderate Muslim and a suicide bomber in a busy metropolitan street? It's best we ostracize all Muslims just to be safe - So goes the logic of ultra-conservatives around the world at the moment. It's stating the obvious to say that implementing policies which marginalize Muslim communities in the west fits right into the radicals "us against them" narrative and fuels extremism.
To continue stating the obvious, this disease which is infecting major western cities in Europe and abroad is the bastard child of western imperialism. It's also born out of poor immigration settlement policy and a racist culture. I spent a year in Toulouse, France and the situation was stark but perplexing. Racism there extended almost solely to Arab migrants. Even I became bigoted towards them while living there. But like all over europe, they were a severely ghettoized people that didn't fully identify with the society in which they lived. It's hard to know what came first, the chicken or the egg? Whether allowing these modern ghettos to flourish on the outskirts of major cities in conjunction with a culture of unacceptance obstructed the integration process and adoption of western values, or perhaps Muslims are too tribal and steadfast in their culture for their own good and we really are witnessing a clash of civilisations.
Clash of civilizations or not, the situation in many european cities coinciding with western sponsored conflicts in the middle east is the perfect platform for the proliferation of Salafi Jihadism. It can't be undone. Decades of western meddling in Arab and other Muslim nations affairs is written into the history books. The division between communities in western cities (especially European ones) is deep seated.
You don't need to be Osama Bin Laden to make the correlation (justified or not) between what's going on in the Middle East and what's going on in many European neighborhoods. It gives further credence to the disillusionment of Muslim youth living in the west. The last thing we should be doing is pouring fuel on the inferno by rejecting them and justifying their grievances. It seems a touch idealistic and probably unattainable, but who knows, maybe we could do our bit in the west to reverse the problem by making these vulnerable young men and women part of our world. Easier said than done.
Sorry if that's all been said before on here but I've been sensing a lot of fear and misunderstanding or straight up unwillingness to acknowledge the root of this problem. It's all over commercial TV news here. Suddenly fear and ignorance is finding it's voice again but this phenomenon is more complex than they could ever bother to understand.
To continue stating the obvious, this disease which is infecting major western cities in Europe and abroad is the bastard child of western imperialism. It's also born out of poor immigration settlement policy and a racist culture. I spent a year in Toulouse, France and the situation was stark but perplexing. Racism there extended almost solely to Arab migrants. Even I became bigoted towards them while living there. But like all over europe, they were a severely ghettoized people that didn't fully identify with the society in which they lived. It's hard to know what came first, the chicken or the egg? Whether allowing these modern ghettos to flourish on the outskirts of major cities in conjunction with a culture of unacceptance obstructed the integration process and adoption of western values, or perhaps Muslims are too tribal and steadfast in their culture for their own good and we really are witnessing a clash of civilisations.
Clash of civilizations or not, the situation in many european cities coinciding with western sponsored conflicts in the middle east is the perfect platform for the proliferation of Salafi Jihadism. It can't be undone. Decades of western meddling in Arab and other Muslim nations affairs is written into the history books. The division between communities in western cities (especially European ones) is deep seated.
You don't need to be Osama Bin Laden to make the correlation (justified or not) between what's going on in the Middle East and what's going on in many European neighborhoods. It gives further credence to the disillusionment of Muslim youth living in the west. The last thing we should be doing is pouring fuel on the inferno by rejecting them and justifying their grievances. It seems a touch idealistic and probably unattainable, but who knows, maybe we could do our bit in the west to reverse the problem by making these vulnerable young men and women part of our world. Easier said than done.
Sorry if that's all been said before on here but I've been sensing a lot of fear and misunderstanding or straight up unwillingness to acknowledge the root of this problem. It's all over commercial TV news here. Suddenly fear and ignorance is finding it's voice again but this phenomenon is more complex than they could ever bother to understand.
Excellent post.
But as much as you can babble about western imperialism as the liberal's raison d'être for jihadist extremism, that cannot account for what's happening in places like Mali, places like Nigeria with Boko Haram, places like the Philippines with Abu Sayyaf, places like Bangladesh. I think it's overly simplistic to say it's all just a product of the Western boogeyman.
Also, mentioning the crusades guys...seriously?
Look at the area with most dots, Spain-Portugal. It doesn't show the massacre and forced conversions of Jews and Muslims when the Catholics took over.
The Right-wing extremists and the minority Muslim extremists are feeding off one another's violence, a violence that will eventually engulf us all if we allow it to ensue. Both of these polarising forces want us to take sides and see a black and white world, and if that happens, then God help us all.
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That's a very modern phenomenon.
In fact, there is very little by way of forced conversions in Muslim history. A lot of conquests yes, but the populations were rarely ever forced to convert. Take Eastern Europe and the Balkans as a recent example, where the Ottomans ruled for centuries, but the majority of the population remained Orthodox or Catholic. Even within the Arab Middle East, where Muslims have ruled for 1400 years, there are still significant populations of Arab Christians in the millions. Syria has a couple of Million, Egypt around 10+ million, Lebanon another 1.5+ million. Even the hapless Yazidis were left to be all this time until ISIS decided that they understood the world better than anyone else.
These populations could have easily been wiped out in the pre-modern era where there were no such things as human rights, international courts, the UN etc, but weren't. These areas were ruled by "Caliphates" until WW1.
Don't let the wanton violence of the modern world fool you.
It's bizzare you somehow think that makes it better
You like to kid around, but to get little serious for a second, it's beyond agreeing or disagreeing about some topic. You shown you are insanely quick to generalize and are small minded in how you paint whole groups of people with fairly hateful brush.
So incredibly pointless to entertain the notion of "discussion" with someone who's idea of a conversation starter are cliches like "every Muslim is a terrorist" or lovely nuggets of wisdom like "immigrants are criminals "or insert random dumb shit about Jews.
If you don't want to be judged for the thoughtless things you say, think through them hard before you say it. It's one thing if it were jokes, but you clearly aren't joking.
You like to kid around, but to get little serious for a second, it's beyond agreeing or disagreeing about some topic. You shown you are insanely quick to generalize and are small minded in how you paint whole groups of people with fairly hateful brush.
So incredibly pointless to entertain the notion of "discussion" with someone who's idea of a conversation starter are cliches like "every Muslim is a terrorist" or lovely nuggets of wisdom like "immigrants are criminals "or insert random dumb shit about Jews.
If you don't want to be judged for the thoughtless things you say, think through them hard before you say it. It's one thing if it were jokes, but you clearly aren't joking.
Why not? This new form of extreme Jihad is as pervasive around the world as it is consistent. The creation of Islamic State has set the agenda for most of its affiliates around the world in terms of organisation, aspiration and doctrine thanks to the use of social media by official propagandists. It's more than just a mandate to implement Sharia Law. At the heart of the most prevalent fundamental Islamic ideology is a disdain for western decadence. Islamic fundamentalism has developed in the past 20-30 years directly in reaction to western ventures abroad. Notably the creation and incessant backing of Isreal, orchestrating coups and backing unwanted autocrats, the jingoism that led to two Gulf Wars, constant drone strikes in Yemen, waging war against Muslims in Somalia, supporting India's oppression of Muslims in Kashmir. And all the while Islamic Jihad has become more and more extreme. It's ideology is increasingly at loggerheads with western values in more numerous and more extreme ways, now to the point of barbarism.
Islamic fundamentalists, no matter where they hail from around the world see the interference in the affairs of other Muslims as an affront to their faith. If a nations Muslim population hasn't been negatively affected directly by Western imperialism in all it's forms (political, militaristic, commercial) of which cases are rare, there will still be a handful of people that are susceptible to radicalizing by virtue of empathy alone. Now we're seeing a phenomenon where even non-Muslims empathize with the Salafist cause, convert and join their violent struggle. So Islamic fundamentalism can poison even the most unlikely victims minds. Never mind politically unstable states with large Muslim populations. What has fostered violent extremism more than political power vacuums like the ones in Mali, Libya, Somalia and Northern Nigeria?
Islamic fundamentalists, no matter where they hail from around the world see the interference in the affairs of other Muslims as an affront to their faith. If a nations Muslim population hasn't been negatively affected directly by Western imperialism in all it's forms (political, militaristic, commercial) of which cases are rare, there will still be a handful of people that are susceptible to radicalizing by virtue of empathy alone. Now we're seeing a phenomenon where even non-Muslims empathize with the Salafist cause, convert and join their violent struggle. So Islamic fundamentalism can poison even the most unlikely victims minds. Never mind politically unstable states with large Muslim populations. What has fostered violent extremism more than political power vacuums like the ones in Mali, Libya, Somalia and Northern Nigeria?