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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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That, and I'm annoyed by supposedly literary geniuses who keep insisting we read what he wrote. It's not supposed to be read, it's supposed to be watched in a theatre.
Sure, but you can't see Antigone, Waiting for Godot, La Locandiera and Shakespeare with your school. And quite frankly I can't be bothered to go out and watch all those plays myself.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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#64
Sure, but you can't see Antigone, Waiting for Godot, La Locandiera and Shakespeare with your school. And quite frankly I can't be bothered to go out and watch all those plays myself.
Those are all easily found in theatres across the universe. How dare you say such a thing.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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#65
Sure, but you can't see Antigone, Waiting for Godot, La Locandiera and Shakespeare with your school. And quite frankly I can't be bothered to go out and watch all those plays myself.
I'm sure they can be found in art houses. Sophocles, Becket and several other playwrights can also not be compared to Shakespeare. I detest how the latter is used as a standard for literature when I just wholeheartedly disagree his works, particularly the plays they make students read at school, qualify as literature.

And I sincerely doubt Shakespeare would've wanted us to read his plays.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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#66
I'm sure they can be found in art houses. Sophocles, Becket and several other playwrights can also not be compared to Shakespeare. I detest how the latter is used as a standard for literature when I just wholeheartedly disagree his works, particularly the plays they make students read at school, qualify as literature.

And I sincerely doubt Shakespeare would've wanted us to read his plays.
That's a great point, Erik. He wrote his scripts for the theatre, not to read in a literature class. Must be very insulting for him up in the "heavens."
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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#69
That's a great point, Erik. He wrote his scripts for the theatre, not to read in a literature class. Must be very insulting for him up in the "heavens."

for any thing so overdone is from the purpose of playing, whose end, both at the first and now, was and is, to hold, as 'twere, the mirror up to nature.

how many got that on the first try?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
#70
Those are all easily found in theatres across the universe. How dare you say such a thing.
Obviously the point isn't whether they can be found or not. And in fact you'd have a pretty hard time finding a Sophocles play like the Greek meant it. But what I mean is that schools simply can't afford watching all those plays. And it would be insane not to teach about Shakespeare, Sophocles and to a lesser extent Beckett.

I'm sure they can be found in art houses. Sophocles, Becket and several other playwrights can also not be compared to Shakespeare. I detest how the latter is used as a standard for literature when I just wholeheartedly disagree his works, particularly the plays they make students read at school, qualify as literature.


And I sincerely doubt Shakespeare would've wanted us to read his plays.
In this aspect Sophocles definitely can be compared to Shakespeare. People might use the notion 'Aristotelian theatre', but it's always Sophocles they're talking about. Whether or not one should consider it literature is a difficult question. From a practical point of view one could say that it is written, thus it is literature. On the other hand the text Shakespeare and the lot wrote is meant to be a guideluine. This means that a) The visual aspect is important, therefore a play can't be judged based on the text alone, but also that b) every play is different. We can only judge Shakespeare objectively through his text, through his literature.


That's a great point, Erik. He wrote his scripts for the theatre, not to read in a literature class. Must be very insulting for him up in the "heavens."
Well, the only way you can be sure you're watching what Shakespeare wanted you to watch, is that Shakespeare is directing the play himself. But I don't see that happening anytime soon. It's too easy to dismiss the literary aspect of Shakespeare as a whole IMO.




Though let this be clear: I didn't like reading it one bit :D.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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#72
In this aspect Sophocles definitely can be compared to Shakespeare. People might use the notion 'Aristotelian theatre', but it's always Sophocles they're talking about. Whether or not one should consider it literature is a difficult question. From a practical point of view one could say that it is written, thus it is literature. On the other hand the text Shakespeare and the lot wrote is meant to be a guideluine. This means that a) The visual aspect is important, therefore a play can't be judged based on the text alone, but also that b) every play is different. We can only judge Shakespeare objectively through his text, through his literature.
That's all I'm saying.

I never meant to imply it's not interesting to read Shakespeare and examinate how he wrote what he wrote but it's not exactly a cornerstone of literature. I believe it's misplaced in English literature classes for regularl high school students.

Well, the only way you can be sure you're watching what Shakespeare wanted you to watch, is that Shakespeare is directing the play himself. But I don't see that happening anytime soon. It's too easy to dismiss the literary aspect of Shakespeare as a whole IMO.
Good point, read above
 
Mar 6, 2005
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#73
First of all, congrats to all mentioned here..

Second of all, I'd like to point out that I got more out of watching Othello on VHS than actually reading the play.. :p
 

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