Oslo Bombing (7 Viewers)

[Azzurri7]

I have to disagree with you here Melo. Isnt it the people that did the attacks that are responsible? That they are waaay to sensitive to those cartoons using them as an excuse to kill? Should the world conform to their views of the world or shopuld they change their views?

Its similar to claiming that a girl in a sexy dress is responsible for her rape and that she shouldnt have teased the rapist. I really disagree here, some forms of free speech are essential for democracy and should not be used as an excuse for these kinds of things.

You make sense but I think what Melo is trying to say is that one should feel free to write what he wants if he can or has the power to protect himself. I could be wrong but that's what I think he meant earlier.

 

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[Eddy]

Freedom of speech and the press in one of the core tenants of liberal democracy. Trying to limit these defeats the whole purpose of living in a free society.

Social Democracy is where it's at after the liberals finish their work.

 

[IrishZebra]

In theory, in practice the Welfare state becomes bloated just like Ireland where Public Sector wages are too high and social protection that is far too generous. Social Democracy invariably leads to lazy democracy and the entitlement state. Some teachers here make €45 an hour...

 

[dodo]

Oh shit, I never expected this to happen in Norway. This is very sad, hope all the members here from Norway are OK.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Not really. I don't know much about the PKK in the 80's and 90's but from what I hear about, they usually attack the military and government, which is understandable. That's not bloodshed for a group that wants independence. Just like ASALA was targeting Turkish diplomats and government officials in the 70's, or when Michael Collins set up rebel bandits or the word you used, "terrorists" to kill English agents in occupied Ireland in 1916. These examples aren't considered bloodshed. If you consider them to be bloodshed, then you probably have deep nationalistic roots and you are a jingoist.

That's not reliable source. Anyway if you justify killing diplomats along with their families, teachers, police or a imam just because they are getting paid by government, there is nothing to discuss.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

In theory, in practice the Welfare state becomes bloated just like Ireland where Public Sector wages are too high and social protection that is far too generous. Social Democracy invariably leads to lazy democracy and the entitlement state. Some teachers here make €45 an hour...

AMEN!!! I have been trying to tell most of my liberal Socially democratic friends this !

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Exactly. Hiding behinde freedom of speech is cowardly. Why the hell insult all those muslims in first place, and then not take any responsibility. If the Cartoons weren't published, the attacks wouldn't happen. But we have to make it hard for ourselves, don't we?

Melo it happens everyday all over the world for Christians especially here in America, and the vast majority dont retaliate like the muslim extremists do. That person who mocks God, will inevitably have to deal with God, and then his justice will arrive. You don't muzzle anyones freedoms, because that becomes a slippery slope and the next thing you know where living in the USSR or worse taliban Afghanistan

 

[Trequartista]

I grieve with the Norwegian people, this is a sad, sad affair.

 

[Kasaki]

Quickie , This niggga never had to reload? No adults wanted to try being the hero either?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Quickie , This niggga never had to reload? No adults wanted to try being the hero either?

There are a lot to be revealed. Guy could be lynched while reloading.

 

[Enron]

Quickie , This niggga never had to reload? No adults wanted to try being the hero either?

It doesn't take long to put another clip in if you've done it before.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

It doesn't take long to put another clip in if you've done it before.

More than 80 casualties. That means he had to do it at least 3 times.

 

[YasoR17]

The police are blocking another street in the city centre now according to VG.no. More to come.

 

[IrishZebra]

AMEN!!! I have been trying to tell most of my liberal Socially democratic friends this !


Melo it happens everyday all over the world for Christians especially here in America, and the vast majority dont retaliate like the muslim extremists do. That person who mocks God, will inevitably have to deal with God, and then his justice will arrive. You don't muzzle anyones freedoms, because that becomes a slippery slope and the next thing you know where living in the USSR or worse taliban Afghanistan

Maybe they are Socially Democratic because of what Berlusconi has done to Italy and Italian Politics. Silvio takes the absolute piss. In they're American, I advise you just to ignore them. Yanks wouldn't know how to implement social justice if it bit them on the ass.

Christians bring the mockery upon themselves by trying to force society to accept their moral,social and political ethos as valid when it is far from so. Also, the systematic rape and torture of children for decades played a part

 

[Kasaki]

There are a lot to be revealed. Guy could be lynched while reloading.

That's what I was thinking , but it's hard to assume unless you were in the situation

It doesn't take long to put another clip in if you've done it before.

More than 80 casualties. That means he had to do it at least 3 times.

 

[Bjerknes]

So, in short, you don't have an argument.

My point, considering you obviously missed it, was that extremist nut-jobs are gonna be who they are and do what they do no matter what their sick minds 'choose' to dwell upon - be it religion, race, politics, all these are simply outlets of the anger and insanity stored in them. The US didn't need the "issues" with muslim immigration to have OK City, Columbine, Texas Tech, Tucson etc, etc.

Unfortunately, your personal political and social convictions do not allow you to see the nut-jobs in question as the actual 'reasons' for these atrocious acts, so you identify the fixations of their messed-up minds as the central issue.

Of course some nut-jobs will channel their anger into whatever the flavor of the day is, but to deny that a certain social or economic issue is the reason for another's madness is not being objective and is indeed a cop out. Some believe Joe Stack was insane but if it wasn't for the IRS, he probably wouldn't have flown his biplane into a building. If the Muzzies wouldn't naturally retaliate whenever someone draws a wonderful little cartoon about their "Profit", others would not be inclined to retaliate against them in return. This isn't a difficult subject.

It's easy to call everyone insane, but insanity is only common in groups, parties and epochs, to paraphrase Nietzsche.

 

[IrishZebra]

Yes because it's the cartoons that are the underlying cause and not the fact that the West led by America has propped up brutal regimes for decades...

This type of Terrorism comes from social isolation which leads young middle class muslim men that are mainly engineers to seek acceptance in something that makes 'sense' outside of this decadent and unwelcoming west. This something, is radical Islam.

We shouldn't confuse a symptom with a cause here. You can hate the west and not be a radical islamist.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes because it's the cartoons that are the underlying cause and not the fact that the West led by America has propped up brutal regimes for decades...

It's always the West's fault for something, yet even before the West was even discovered, the same folks were doing the same things. That's brilliant.

 

[IrishZebra]

It's always the West's fault for something, yet even before the West was even discovered, the same folks were doing the same things. That's brilliant.

The middle east didn't exist as separate political entities until the West created them, so I'd say yeah, a portion of the blame may be attributable. Colonise,Exploit,Repress ad infinitum.

 

[Lapa]

90% of humans are utterly stupid and should kill themselves...and this tragedy shows yet again that I'm right.