Oslo Bombing (16 Viewers)

[Azzurri7]

I disagree Turk, in Ireland NO regular policeman can carry a gun, detectives can carry pistols and emergency response units can carry automatic weapons. If you saw a Garda (policeman) here with a gun you'd run as fast away as possible.

Then one shouldn't be surprised if anything similar to the Oslo incident happens in Ireland.

 

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[Martin]

Price is hefty. You can't risk lives like that in order to realizing a dream, living in a wonderland. It's not related with this event but while keeping peace for themselves, Norway was supporting pkk, another terrorist organization caused more than 40.000 deaths for years. This is hypocrisy in highest order, while telling your people fairy tales about peaceful world, you are supporting terrorist movements in other countries. I am talking about government, not Norway people.

This I agree with. For all the peace initiatives Norway is also an arms dealer.

 

[Zlatan]

Of course. I would expect anything. Too many fucked up people everywhere around this world not only in the States, Africa and the middle-east.

Of course one can't take measure for everything he/she does but I'm questioning this trip to an Island which shouldn't be something difficult to guarantee some guards, checkpoints at the Island and etc... It's an Island not a cinema(even though in Cinemas you still see guards at times).

You can't handle to see a gun then you shouldn't leave your house and lock yourself up in a room Martin.

This is 21st century, there's nothing such as this country is the safest and I'm not used seeing a gun or checkpoints. At least now after this I am sure most Norwegians want to see policeman with guns and I'm sure now they would feel more safe seeing one with a gun than with nothing but an empty hands.

Policemen with guns wouldnt have changed anything here, not a thing,, but they would disturb the ideas behind Norwegian society.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

That has got nothing to do with anything. Don't be jealous because Norway developed and ran itself the way a country is supposed to be run.

Then countries should worship peace in their land but support war in others. Is this the way of running a perfect country?

 

[Azzurri7]

Policemen with guns wouldnt have changed anything here, not a thing,, but they would disturb the ideas behind Norwegian society.

Maybe checkpoint at the Island?

 

[Maddy]

Then one shouldn't be surprised if anything similar to the Oslo incident happens in Ireland.

Let me put it this way. I won't be surprised if Denmark within the next couple years will be the target of a terrorist attack - They already have been, but the intelligence service inteferred before the attack happend and a letterbomb wen't off too soon.

Does that make me wanna get heavy armed police in the streets? No. Armed Security at youth festivals? No. More CCTV? No.

This is the price we have to pay when ignorant people do not understand or just hate the values on which Denmark exist.

 

[IrishZebra]

Then one shouldn't be surprised if anything similar to the Oslo incident happens in Ireland.

I don't think you understand the intricacies of Irish society, the IRAs and their political mouthpieces are right-wing, they have killed innocent people before, as for a lone man or a group of loonies bombing parliament and killing a bunch of youths, it would be extremely difficult to do in this manner.

The idea of nationalists attacking government and irish citizens just does not compute with the irish or irish terrorist mindset.

 

[IrishZebra]

Then countries should worship peace in their land but support war in others. Is this the way of running a perfect country?

I support the right of the Kurdish people to have a homeland so you're talking to the wrong guy here.

 

[Azzurri7]

This is the price we have to pay when ignorant people do not understand or just hate the values on which Denmark exist.

It's not about what YOU like or want, it's about what OTHERS have in mind.

 

[Maddy]

It's not about what YOU like or want, it's about what OTHERS have in mind.

Nope. If we change our society because other people want to hurt us because they do not agree with our values they have already won, even before they attack.

 

[IrishZebra]

Nope. If we change our society because other people want to hurt us because they do not agree with our values. They have already won.

 

[Azzurri7]

Nope. If we change our society because other people want to hurt us because they do not agree with our values. They have already won.

You don't have to change your society, you have to take measures.

 

[Fake Melo]

Nope. If we change our society because other people want to hurt us because they do not agree with our values they have already won, even before they attack.

I hate that attitude. "We can't let them win"

It's not about letting them win, it's about letting your people LIVE!

 

[Zlatan]

Maybe checkpoint at the Island?

There was something on the island, he had to get on a ferry and get to the island, however he fooled them that he was a police officer. Now, you can say that there should have been an armed policeman there, but thats not the way the society works. He could have gilled the police officer and then go to the island, probably not much would have been different. He could have chosen another target, you cant have a policeman on every corner.


In short, preventing and combating terrorism is not the job of ordinary police that comes in touch with the ordinary people every day. Its the job of security forces that work in the background and that do not affect every day life.

 

[Zlatan]

Let me put it this way. I won't be surprised if Denmark within the next couple years will be the target of a terrorist attack - They already have been, but the intelligence service inteferred before the attack happend and a letterbomb wen't off too soon.

Does that make me wanna get heavy armed police in the streets? No. Armed Security at youth festivals? No. More CCTV? No.

This is the price we have to pay when ignorant people do not understand or just hate the values on which Denmark exist.

Yeah, wasnt an attack in CPH prevented in december 2010.

 

[Maddy]

You don't have to change your society, you have to take measures.

No. This what you seem not to understand in a country like Denmark or Norway. It would be radical change on how we view things, were we to give the Police and Private Security even more power and freedom to operate.

 

[Eddy]

Price is hefty. You can't risk lives like that in order to realizing a dream, living in a wonderland. It's not related with this event but while keeping peace for themselves, Norway was supporting pkk, another terrorist organization caused more than 40.000 deaths for years. This is hypocrisy in highest order, while telling your people fairy tales about peaceful world, you are supporting terrorist movements in other countries. I am talking about government, not Norway people.

I'd rather see a free independent Kurdistan. Norway does too. I don't see how this is linked to the Norwegian massacres though.

 

[Maddy]

I hate that attitude. "We can't let them win"

It's not about letting them win, it's about letting your people LIVE!

So to prevent any attacks on Denmark. Denmark shouldn't let our newspapers publish what ever they want? Like the Muhammed-cartoons?

 

[Eddy]

Maybe checkpoint at the Island?

This isn't Lebanon

 

[Fake Melo]

So to prevent any attacks on Denmark. Denmark shouldn't let our newspapers publish what ever they want? Like the Muhammed-cartoons?

Exactly. Hiding behinde freedom of speech is cowardly. Why the hell insult all those muslims in first place, and then not take any responsibility. If the Cartoons weren't published, the attacks wouldn't happen. But we have to make it hard for ourselves, don't we?