Oslo Bombing (12 Viewers)

[Maddy]

Some of you need to understand that Norway is a very different country than where you come from. Relatively low crimerate, not outstanding conflicts with minorities and so on. Therefore like many similar countries like Denmark and Sweden, they haven't got the need nor the desire to live in a country full of police, CCTV, armed private security and so on.

This is the work of one crazy man, who wanted to attack the value on which Norway has been build. Now - if any - is the time that Norway stands firm in their believe in humanity, peace og co-existence.

 

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[YasoR17]

Now the police say there may be another killer who was with him. Eye-witnesses say he wasn't dressed up like a cop.

 

[Martin]

Scandalous and negligence this is my friend.

Oh would you stop with that crap already. Security measures are always relative to the threat. If the threat is low the security is low. Police carry guns when there is some specific reason for it, they don't carry them just for walking around with.

 

[Azzurri7]

Some of you need to understand that Norway is a very different country than where you come from. Relatively low crimerate, not outstanding conflicts with minorities and so on. Therefore like many similar countries like Denmark and Sweden, they haven't got the need nor the desire to live in a country full of police, CCTV, armed private security and so on.

This is the work of one crazy man, who wanted to attack the value on which Norway has been build. Now - if any - is the time that Norway stands firm in their believe in humanity, peace og co-existence.

There's a difference between a country full of Police like the ones we know and a country that has some security.

You can't, you just can't send your kid to an Island with other bunch of 300 or 500 kids and have in my mind that there's no security/guard/officers or anything to protect or secure their school trip, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Martin]

You can't, you just can't send your kid to an Island with other bunch of 300 or 500 kids and have in my mind that there's no security/guard/officers or anything to protect or secure their school trip, it doesn't make sense.

This is precisely what you don't get. Imagine living in a world where this is possible. Welcome to Norway.

Btw these people are not kids as in children. They were at a political youth gathering, most of them probably 15-25.

 

[Azzurri7]

Oh would you stop with that crap already. Security measures are always relative to the threat. If the threat is low the security is low. Police carry guns when there is some specific reason for it, they don't carry them just for walking around with.

Wake up Martin, get out of your bed, whether it's Norway, Switzerland or fucking Kazakhstan you can not organize a trip for kids/youth or teenagers without any security measure whether your country is the safest country or not.

I live in Romania for almost 10years now, never did I hear anything similar has happened here to the one that just happened in Oslo, but would I dare to send one of my kids(if I had one) to an Island without security measures? I would be either insane of just fucking stupid.

 

[Maddy]

This is precisely what you don't get. Imagine living in a world where this is possible. Welcome to Norway.

Btw these people are not kids as in children. They were at a political youth gathering, most of them probably 15-25.

Exactly! These camps happens all the time in Scandinavia.

The Roskilde festival, which is similar to Glastonbury, has over 80.000 participants. There is no armed security and only around 10 cops there.

 

[Azzurri7]

This is precisely what you don't get. Imagine living in a world where this is possible. Welcome to Norway.

Btw these people are not kids as in children. They were at a political youth gathering, most of them probably 15-25.

No difference. 10-15-20, they're still young and most of them can't defend themselves physically or have the balls to swim and save themselves.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

This is precisely what you don't get. Imagine living in a world where this is possible. Welcome to Norway.

Btw these people are not kids as in children. They were at a political youth gathering, most of them probably 15-25.

This case proves that living in a world like that is not possible. Threat is always there, you don't need to see some guy kill more than 80 people to realize that.

 

[Martin]

Wake up Martin, get out of your bed, whether it's Norway, Switzerland or fucking Kazakhstan you can not organize a trip for kids/youth or teenagers without any security measure whether your country is the safest country or not.

I live in Romania for almost 10years now, never did I hear anything similar has happened here to the one that just happened in Oslo, but would I dare to send one of my kids(if I had one) to an Island without security measures? I would be either insane of just fucking stupid.

Okay, fine. If you haven't heard of anything like this happening in Romania, does that mean you still expect it would?

This is a question of mindset, the world is not the same everywhere. I'm from Norway, when I see police carry guns it makes me nervous and uncomfortable, I don't think people should be trusted. If I were from Israel I'd probably want an armed soldier on every street corner.

 

[IrishZebra]

I disagree Turk, in Ireland NO regular policeman can carry a gun, detectives can carry pistols and emergency response units can carry automatic weapons. If you saw a Garda (policeman) here with a gun you'd run as fast away as possible.

Ireland isn't even as tolerant as Norway and we have no need outside of organised crime to arm our police. There'd be only marginal secuirty measure in such an event also.

 

[Martin]

This case proves that living in a world like that is not possible. Threat is always there, you don't need to see some guy kill more than 80 people to realize that.

Well it was possible. Nothing like this has happened since the war. So it was clearly possible for 66 years.

 

[Zlatan]

I would say its similar in most of Scandinavia, although cops here carry guns. In Lund where I study there is a huge Valborg party/festival every year with around 30-40 thousand students and very little security and cops and it usually goes without problems. Of course, there is always a risk that something like this might happen (although a very low one), but the risk of other things (regular violence, crime) is very low so a lot of security is not neccessary.


Fact is, armed police or a few security guards on the islands wouldnt have changed this, there's very little you can do in these cases once they start.


Preventing these attacks is not the job of the police, its the job of secret/security services that should do their job (surveilance, monitoring, etc) but without affecting the ordinary everyday life of Norwegian society too much.

 

[Martin]

Preventing these attacks is not the job of the police, its the job of secret/security services that should do their job (surveilance, monitoring, etc) but without affecting the ordinary everyday life of Norwegian society too much.

That's exactly what I think. And I wouldn't be surprised if we're going to hear about some negligence on their part in the near future.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Well it was possible. Nothing like this has happened since the war. So it was clearly possible for 66 years.

Price is hefty. You can't risk lives like that in order to realizing a dream, living in a wonderland. It's not related with this event but while keeping peace for themselves, Norway was supporting pkk, another terrorist organization caused more than 40.000 deaths for years. This is hypocrisy in highest order, while telling your people fairy tales about peaceful world, you are supporting terrorist movements in other countries. I am talking about government, not Norway people.

 

[Azzurri7]

Okay, fine. If you haven't heard of anything like this happening in Romania, does that mean you still expect it would?

This is a question of mindset, the world is not the same everywhere. I'm from Norway, when I see police carry guns it makes me nervous and uncomfortable, I don't think people should be trusted. If I were from Israel I'd probably want an armed soldier on every street corner.

Of course. I would expect anything. Too many fucked up people everywhere around this world not only in the States, Africa and the middle-east.

Of course one can't take measure for everything he/she does but I'm questioning this trip to an Island which shouldn't be something difficult to guarantee some guards, checkpoints at the Island and etc... It's an Island not a cinema(even though in Cinemas you still see guards at times).

You can't handle to see a gun then you shouldn't leave your house and lock yourself up in a room Martin.

This is 21st century, there's nothing such as this country is the safest and I'm not used seeing a gun or checkpoints. At least now after this I am sure most Norwegians want to see policeman with guns and I'm sure now they would feel more safe seeing one with a gun than with nothing but an empty hands.

 

[Fake Melo]

Reports of another shooter!

 

[IrishZebra]

Price is hefty. You can't risk lives like that in order to realizing a dream, living in a wonderland. It's not related with this event but while keeping peace for themselves, Norway was supporting pkk, another terrorist organization caused more than 40.000 deaths for years. This hypocrisy in highest order, why telling your people fairy tales about peaceful world, you are supporting terrorist movements in other countries.

That has got nothing to do with anything. Don't be jealous because Norway developed and ran itself the way a country is supposed to be run.

 

[Osman]

Just to get something, the guy was on the Island when the kids got there or he came later or he went with them?

Its beyond horrifying, really insane massacre, he bombs Oslo, drives over to Utoya, ferries over to the Island, manipulates his way in by saying he is there as a polieman to investigate security after the bombing. He tells the kids to gather around so he can talk to them, then he calmly starts butchering them. Really sickening.

 

[Zlatan]

That's exactly what I think. And I wouldn't be surprised if we're going to hear about some negligence on their part in the near future.

I agree. If there is low risk of crime in society then the police should act accordingly, like in Norway. However, security services are not part of the ordinary police, their job is to protect the safety of the nation and they should be prepared for any kind of risk and work to prevent it.


However, giving policemen weapons or sending security for any kind of event wouldnt make a big difference in preventing these kinds of risks but it would create a big disturbance in the life of the Norwegian society and change the way it functions and thinks.