Old Lady’s final stand - (Juve dominates World Cup Final & Dream Team) (15 Viewers)

[d.nico]

Like someone else already stated on these forums:

Because Inter had 1 (2 if you count Grosso) in the final and Barca had 0, we are superior to Barca?

Credit to Juve for having 8 players in the final, but that doesn't mean that they are the best team in the world

1-2 players in final versus 0 player in final means nothing.
8 players in final, this is incredible.


when you've killed 1 people, you are said criminal.
when you've killed 1000 people, you are said conqueror.

 

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[peckface]

Since Italy was in final, of course an Italian team would dominate on that particular area. You guys wouldn't care if we had 7, 6 or 5 on the pitch, as long as most would be juventinos.

when you've killed 1000 people, you are said conqueror.

Awh the middle-ages ended somewhat 500 years ago mate. : > Now the correct term would be terrorist.

 

[d.nico]

Since Italy was in final, of course an Italian team would dominate on that particular area. You guys wouldn't care if we had 7, 6 or 5 on the pitch, as long as most would be juventinos.

but no club near what juventus got on WC final:
- 8 juventus players was on the field
- 4 ex. jeventus player
- not to mention Lippi and Ferrara.

Awh the middle-ages ended somewhat 500 years ago mate. : > Now the correct term would be terrorist.

you wont get it.

 

[peckface]

but no club near what juventus got on WC final:
- 8 juventus players was on the field
- 4 ex. jeventus player
- not to mention Lippi and Ferrara.

The ex juventus players don't mean squat, including Lippi and Ferrara. One of the like 8-9 major clubs in the world in the three big leagues are bound to have a majority of players on the pitch.

Italy are just lucky that; Italy got an undeserved penalty vs Australia (which a non-Juve fixed and a non-Juve player scored), a late game winner vs Germany (which a non-Juve player scored). France are lucky that Henry dived home a freekick vs Spain that led to goal and that Brazil screwed up on their offside trap which led to victory. The World Cup is just a gamble between the big nations and the most lucky ones who got the margins on their sides goes to the final. 'Luckily' for us it was Juventus nation and a nation we like to buy players from.

you wont get it.

Ouch. Your point is probably crystal clear to every man on earth. It was just a stupid example.

 

[giovanotti]

The ex juventus players don't mean squat, including Lippi and Ferrara. One of the like 8-9 major clubs in the world in the three big leagues are bound to have a majority of players on the pitch.

Italy are just lucky that; Italy got an undeserved penalty vs Australia (which a non-Juve fixed and a non-Juve player scored), a late game winner vs Germany (which a non-Juve player scored). France are lucky that Henry dived home a freekick vs Spain that led to goal and that Brazil screwed up on their offside trap which led to victory. The World Cup is just a gamble between the big nations and the most lucky ones who got the margins on their sides goes to the final. 'Luckily' for us it was Juventus nation and a nation we like to buy players from.

Italy are lucky...interesting theory Katil...what about the red card for Materazzi against Australia,same game you mentioned for our undeserved penalty?
What about undeserved penalty against us in the final?
Hoe could you say that the leta winner against Germany,didn't score a Juventino,did you watch the game...if you were watching you should know that Del Piero scored a fantastic goal.
The World Cup is a gamble between the big nations....so why are we watching football then,why did you watch the World Cup,anyway?

 

[peckface]

Aw mein gudness that is a lot of crap at once.

Italy are lucky...interesting theory Katil...what about the red card for Materazzi against Australia,same game you mentioned for our undeserved penalty?

It was wrong, but Australia should have won the game if Italy wouldn't have gotten a compensation penalty, I hate compensation referees.

What about undeserved penalty against us in the final?

Almost every penalty is as doubtful as that. France got denied a penalty they should have gotten later on.

Hoe could you say that the leta winner against Germany,didn't score a Juventino,did you watch the game...if you were watching you should know that Del Piero scored a fantastic goal.

How can I say that? Because GROSSO scored the game winner on a pass from Pirlo if I'm not mistaking. I hate to break it to you, but Del Pieros goal was like the most unnecessary goal in the history of the World Cup (no matter how fantastic it was).

The World Cup is a gamble between the big nations....so why are we watching football then,why did you watch the World Cup,anyway?

I am not even going to answer that.

 

[giovanotti]

Aw mein gudness that is a lot of crap at once.

It was wrong, but Australia should have won the game if Italy wouldn't have gotten a compensation penalty, I hate compensation referees.


Almost every penalty is as doubtful as that. France got denied a penalty they should have gotten later on.


How can I say that? Because GROSSO scored the game winner on a pass from Pirlo if I'm not mistaking. I hate to break it to you, but Del Pieros goal was like the most unnecessary goal in the history of the World Cup (no matter how fantastic it was).


I am not even going to answer that.

How could you possibly know that Austalia should have won the game without a penalty?We were attacking them all the time untill the ref excluded Materazzi.

That thing about the French penalty in the start of the game could change the things.I meen that was a shock at the start of the game.Buffon didn't brake a record ,by the way.

What is wrong with Grooso's goal against Germany,I think it was a quite legal,so as Del Piero's goal(as you said unneeded) but yes,a Juventino scored a goal in that game,just for the record...and I don't want to separate the Juve ,Milan or other team players from the Azzurri squad,they were fighting for the same metter and I think that they were fighting like "one for all-all for one".

I will only separate one man,Cannavaro.That man deserved a golden ball,and in my opinion,the golden ball went into a wrong hands,a hands of an unfair player despites Fifa's "fair play" motto.

 

[peckface]

Youve made it all about if Italy are deserved winners are not. That was not what I was arguing for. Italy are deserved winners, but its all about about very thin margins. It could as well have been Germany - Portugal in the final and not a single Juventus player on the pitch.

Yeah Cannavaro deserved the trophy by far.

 

[salvatore_]

del piero's goal sealed the victory,increased confidence in the team showed france that we had the best squad in the world cup,it showed that lippi had options if things weren't working!

most unnecessary goal you dont hnow what your talking about!!!!!!!!!!

In the 04/05 season a survey was conducted on which forward scored the most match winning goals in that season!!guess who won by 20% DEL PIERO

 

[Morra10]

How can I say that? Because GROSSO scored the game winner on a pass from Pirlo if I'm not mistaking. I hate to break it to you, but Del Pieros goal was like the most unnecessary goal in the history of the World Cup (no matter how fantastic it was).

del piero's goal sealed the germans doom, so actually the most useless goal of the world cup was messi's goal to give argentina the 6-0 lead...

 

[Juvewiz]

It was wrong, but Australia should have won the game if Italy wouldn't have gotten a compensation penalty, I hate compensation referees.

Are you joking? Italy were by far the better team before Materazzi was wrongfully dismissed. After the dismissal Italy let Australia come at them, but didn't concede more than a couple of good chances, which Buffon dealt with quite easily. Italy on the other hand had better chances than Australia, even if Australia had possession for much of the half. Then in the dying minutes Italy surprised Australia by pushing forward, and created real problems for the socceroos.

The penalty was in my opinion a correct decision by the ref. I really can't see why some people question it. Lucas Neill threw himself down to stop Grosso crossing the ball, but Grosso went the other way, and if it wasn't for Neill blocking his path, Grosso would have had a real chance. It was a clumsy and desperate challenge by Neill and he was rightfully punished for it.

Anyway, Italy deservedly won the World Cup, and the fact that 5 Juve-players played a more or less important part is amazing! Lippi masterminding the victory, with legend Ciro Ferrara as his assistant, makes it even better.

The best part is no matter what that Alessandro Del Piero finally is Campione Del Mondo! Our bandiera! And I saw him score the goal at Westfalen live! I can asure you it meant something to me and the Italian fans who were there, eventhough Grossos goal was the one that won it for Italy.

 

[Eddy]

I think Lippi wanted Del Piero to have it for last. Buffon should have saved another shot.

 

[salvatore_]

italy will have to send the names of the teams participating in the champions league by the 16th of july does any one what will happen if this problem isn't resolved by then could we be playing champions league and serie b. by law we are innocent till proven guilty and italy will have to submit names!!

 

[giovanotti]

Youve made it all about if Italy are deserved winners are not. That was not what I was arguing for. Italy are deserved winners, but its all about about very thin margins. It could as well have been Germany - Portugal in the final and not a single Juventus player on the pitch.

Yeah Cannavaro deserved the trophy by far.

Ok Katil,it could be Germany- Portugal in the final,but it didn't happen(thank God),and yes every team who is playing a tournament needs a luck to get the final(same goes to C.L.)...when you sum it,you should not loose it because the same opportuinity won't happen again,especially at the World Cup, played every 4 years.

 

[peckface]

The Germans wouldn't feel any better from losing by 1-0. Neither would the Italians feel better by winning by 1 less. I know, I know it is Del Piero. It is important because it made him happy and therefor you happy.

Messis 6-0 goal was a statement, 'we are unstoppable' (which as it turnes out, they weren't ). Del Pieros goal was like a last 5 seconds goal in hockey when the keeper is off the ice.

 

[peckface]

Ok Katil,it could be Germany- Portugal in the final,but it didn't happen(thank God),and yes every team who is playing a tournament needs a luck to get the final(same goes to C.L.)... when you sum it,you should not loose it because the same opportuinity won't happen again,especially at the World Cup, played every 4 years.

That's what I'm saying(I think, didn't really get the last part).

 

[Juvewiz]

Italy are deserved winners, but its all about about very thin margins. It could as well have been Germany - Portugal in the final and not a single Juventus player on the pitch.

I agree. The margins decide when the best teams in the world play eachother. And the final could of course have been between two other teams than France and Italy.

But the fact that Italy played France in the final, and 8 Juve-players participated, is nothing else but a quality sign for our beloved team. 4 of these players were also nominated for the golden ball.

 

[giovanotti]

The Germans wouldn't feel any better from losing by 1-0. Neither would the Italians feel better by winning by 1 less. I know, I know it is Del Piero. It is important because it made him happy and therefor you happy.

Messis 6-0 goal was a statement, 'we are unstoppable' (which as it turnes out, they weren't ). Del Pieros goal was like a last 5 seconds goal in hockey when the keeper is off the ice.

You're right,that goal made m soooooo happy because Del Piero is my fav player,and since Capello starts his anti Del Piero campaign by benching him,I missed some of Del Piero's actions so much,and that was the right gift for me.

 

[peckface]

And I'm not trying to take that away from you.

I agree. The margins decide when the best teams in the world play eachother. And the final could of course have been between two other teams than France and Italy.

But the fact that Italy played France in the final, and 8 Juve-players participated, is nothing else but a quality sign for our beloved team. 4 of these players were also nominated for the golden ball.

Yeah imo it says we are a top team. But I wouldn't call us the greatest just yet.

 

[giovanotti]

That's what I'm saying(I think, didn't really get the last part).

The last part---->if you play the final you need to win it,because the same opportunity won't repeat....if we ,for example didn't manage to beat France i the final Del Piero,Canna,Totti,Camoranesi,Zambrotta,Matrix,Toni wouldn't win another one because they won't be participating the competition which will be played 4 years after this one.
On the other hand,Thuram,Zizou,Makelele,will not win their second gold,they didn't manage this time.