Not a big fan of Tiago either. He's decent at everything, but great at nothing.
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that is the most ignorant thing i've ever heard on these forums.and believe me i've been here for a long time now.....to say Juninho is only famous for his free kicks shows that you dont watch Lyon at all.He is an excellent passer of the ball,he's got a good shot on him.And in the past 3-4 years few central mid's have been as effective as he has been with Lyon.
As for the "Tiago didnt cope with English football part".I beg to differ.He wasn't
really bad with Chelsea.He was just too simillar to Lampard IMO.he didnt offer anything that Lampard didnt.Mourinho wanted a Gattuso type Midfielder a destroyer that will tackle,chase balls and all that so that Fat Frank didnt need to worry about defensive duties.
As for the "Tiago didnt cope with English football part".I beg to differ.He wasn't
really bad with Chelsea.He was just too simillar to Lampard IMO.he didnt offer anything that Lampard didnt.Mourinho wanted a Gattuso type Midfielder a destroyer that will tackle,chase balls and all that so that Fat Frank didnt need to worry about defensive duties.
I will say this much though obv this is a pretty big rumour at present, I saw a lot of Prem when he was at Chelsea and I thought he looked great, was suprised they let him go TBH, but it was all part of Chelsea's transfer strategy rather than any failing on Thiago's part..
Also if he has the motor to cover the defensive inactivity of Junihno P then he's a good athlete for sure at the very least..!
Also if he has the motor to cover the defensive inactivity of Junihno P then he's a good athlete for sure at the very least..!
Excuse me, but your whole post reflects that you're the ignorant one around here. Is Juninho a DMF, CMF or AMF. He is a jack of all trades and a master of free kicks only. And I don't know whether you comprehend it or not, most of football players are supposed to pass and shot, and Juninho is a footballer and he isn't so special whatsoever. And Yes again Juninho's fame has been due to him being one of the best free-kick takers and then comes anything else.
As for Lampard, he shares effectively in defending as well as in attacking, and his records is the EPL is the best witness. His performance was affected in the last season due to the wide defensive roles given to Essien. Lampard is far better than Tiago. Get Real.
As for Lampard, he shares effectively in defending as well as in attacking, and his records is the EPL is the best witness. His performance was affected in the last season due to the wide defensive roles given to Essien. Lampard is far better than Tiago. Get Real.
Just when I thought you could possibly be reasonable, you write up a post like this.
First of all, yes, in Italy tactics play a role greater than some other leagues, but how do you account for players such as Veron, David Pizarro, Totti, Almiron and Rosina? They're all playmakers and don't have the most tactical sense for an array of players, but they still excel here... what's the difference between them and Iniesta? And if you're talking about the fact that Iniesta is small, I don't buy that argument whatsoever. Pizarro and Rosina are both 'smaller' players and they're doing quite well in this oh so tough league for playmakers. This isn't the EPL FFS.
I can compare Guardiola and Iniesta because the former played in Italy and the latter is under discussion right now... which club Pep played for in Serie A doesn't matter because despite his teammates he still did well during his final seasons in this oh so tough league for playmakers.
And finally, your comment regarding Juninho really sums up your knowledge of Ligue 1 and the performances of Tiago. Anybody who has seen a couple Lyon matches knows Juninho isn't all about freekicks..
So what, you think that everybody is suited for English football? And have you ever heard of Essien before? I'm not so sure.
Yes indeed. I don't know why people underrate him so much as he has great technique on the ball. And so you stated, every team needs players that can do the little things right, especially in midfield where all facets of the game come together. Tiago can do it all.
First of all, yes, in Italy tactics play a role greater than some other leagues, but how do you account for players such as Veron, David Pizarro, Totti, Almiron and Rosina? They're all playmakers and don't have the most tactical sense for an array of players, but they still excel here... what's the difference between them and Iniesta? And if you're talking about the fact that Iniesta is small, I don't buy that argument whatsoever. Pizarro and Rosina are both 'smaller' players and they're doing quite well in this oh so tough league for playmakers. This isn't the EPL FFS.
I can compare Guardiola and Iniesta because the former played in Italy and the latter is under discussion right now... which club Pep played for in Serie A doesn't matter because despite his teammates he still did well during his final seasons in this oh so tough league for playmakers.
And finally, your comment regarding Juninho really sums up your knowledge of Ligue 1 and the performances of Tiago. Anybody who has seen a couple Lyon matches knows Juninho isn't all about freekicks..
So what, you think that everybody is suited for English football? And have you ever heard of Essien before? I'm not so sure.
Yes indeed. I don't know why people underrate him so much as he has great technique on the ball. And so you stated, every team needs players that can do the little things right, especially in midfield where all facets of the game come together. Tiago can do it all.
And another funny point regarding Ahmedios' post... he says players like Tiago and Iniesta would get owned in Italy where "The most apparent features of Serie A are aggression and tactics, while one's personal skills are very significant in La Liga."
If that was the case, wouldn't that mean Tiago would be a good player in Serie A considering his positional and tactical sense?
Ahemdios, you've provided more reasons to buy Tiago than not to...
If that was the case, wouldn't that mean Tiago would be a good player in Serie A considering his positional and tactical sense?
Ahemdios, you've provided more reasons to buy Tiago than not to...
I'm not going to take you seriously from now onwards, because the first sentence reflects how conceited you're.
Again you're comparing great football players like Veron and Totti to Inesta. Veron is very tactically sound, very strong physique, the best passer I've ever seen, has a strong character on pitch and a true hardworker. By the way, he was the first player ever in the history of WC to be tested for Nandrolone twice after one match after cutting 24 km against England in WC98. How can you compare him to Inesta? Totti is one of the best players in the history of Italy. Actually, I won't argue about this point more because just comparing Totti to Inesta is very lame.
And yes, Iniesta is small and isn't that tough, what is more. On the contrary, Rosina is more of a fighter and quicker. While Pizarro is a good passer and this is the best thing he can do, obviously he isn't a superstar. So, what is your point?
As for Guardiola and Inesta, I disagree. When a player represents a team like Brescia, he doesn't have to be in his top form, exactly like Guardiola who played for Berscia when he was past his prime. Whereas, when a player represents a team like Juventus, he is supposed to have something special. Certainly, different mentalities with different ambitions.
And you even rate the Ligue 1 that high. I base my opinion about Tiago mainly from what I watched of him in Stamford Bridge, I don't deny it. And even when I watch him in Ligue 1, he doesn't impress me; an average player. Regarding Juninho, you're overrating him, in my opinion.
Who said that that everybody is suited for the English football? Tiago wasn't that successful in England. Hence, I do think he'll fail more in Italy, as simple as it is.
Again you're comparing great football players like Veron and Totti to Inesta. Veron is very tactically sound, very strong physique, the best passer I've ever seen, has a strong character on pitch and a true hardworker. By the way, he was the first player ever in the history of WC to be tested for Nandrolone twice after one match after cutting 24 km against England in WC98. How can you compare him to Inesta? Totti is one of the best players in the history of Italy. Actually, I won't argue about this point more because just comparing Totti to Inesta is very lame.
And yes, Iniesta is small and isn't that tough, what is more. On the contrary, Rosina is more of a fighter and quicker. While Pizarro is a good passer and this is the best thing he can do, obviously he isn't a superstar. So, what is your point?
As for Guardiola and Inesta, I disagree. When a player represents a team like Brescia, he doesn't have to be in his top form, exactly like Guardiola who played for Berscia when he was past his prime. Whereas, when a player represents a team like Juventus, he is supposed to have something special. Certainly, different mentalities with different ambitions.
And you even rate the Ligue 1 that high. I base my opinion about Tiago mainly from what I watched of him in Stamford Bridge, I don't deny it. And even when I watch him in Ligue 1, he doesn't impress me; an average player. Regarding Juninho, you're overrating him, in my opinion.
Who said that that everybody is suited for the English football? Tiago wasn't that successful in England. Hence, I do think he'll fail more in Italy, as simple as it is.
