I think the France Italy game will end in a draw, for me its the France Holland game thats going to be the decider, it doesnt look promising for France after seeing Holland play yesterday.
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Official Azzurri (Italy) Euro 2008 Thread (30 Viewers)
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Donadoni needs to stop creaming over Milan players and ex team mates, play the players who are on form and deserve to start and hope he gets lucky. The man is crazy, It was so ovious what he needs to do and if he doesnt do it then someone needs to put a stop to him.He has a chance to make it right lets just see if he does.
HOLLAND
Van der Sar 8.5 – Had little to do in the first half but proved his worth after the break, with a simply world class stop from Pirlo’s free kick. Also saved a one-on-one from Grosso.
Boulahrouz 7 – Has barely played in two years, but was a big surprise tonight. Coped well with Di Natale’s pace down the Italian left.
Mathijsen 6.5 – Relatively solid at the heart of the Dutch defence. Organised those around him.
Ooijer 6.5 – Most would have tipped him to be crucified by Toni, but the Blackburn veteran coped well with the prolific forward.
Van Bronckhorst 9 – Absolutely outstanding. Completely neutralised Camoranesi defensively, while he headed off the line before providing a superb cross-field pass in the build-up to the second goal. Also scored Holland’s third to crown a superb display. Man-of-the-match.
De Jong 7 – Took charge of the midfield in the first half, and kept his discipline in front of the back four despite heavy second half Italian pressure.
Engelaar 7 – Similar assessment for De Jong. He may not look like a footballer but the Goliath-sized midfielder was a physical presence in the middle-of-the-park.
Sneijder 8 – Outstanding was the Real Madrid man. His shot set-up Van Nistelrooy’s goal, while he scored the brilliant second goal, which at present is the goal of the tournament.
Van der Vaart 8 – Surely set to join a European giant after this performance. Skilful, creative, and a delightful array of passes, including one that put Van Nistelrooy clean through at 2-0.
Kuyt 8 – Battled hard as usual, and had the final assist on both the second and third Dutch goals. A real pain in the backside for any defender.
Van Nistelrooy 7.5 – Terrorised Barzagli and Materazzi. Scored Holland’s opener, although I will leave it up to you to decide if it was offside. Also could have had two others, squandering one-on-one chances.
Subs
Van Persie 6 – Looked reasonably sharp on his injury comeback and went close with one effort.
Heitinga 6 – Shored up the defence in the closing stages.
Afellay 6 – Almost grabbed a fourth with a vicious long-range shot.
ITALY
Buffon 6 – Partly to blame for first goal after a poor punch. Made one outstanding save from van Nistelrooy at 0-2. Did not communicate with his defenders as much as he should have.
Panucci 5.5 – Below par. Questionable whether he has the pace to play at right back in an international tournament. Did better when switched to the centre.
Barzagli 4 – Has never impressed without Cannavaro to hold his hand and this was proved tonight after a shocking performance. Certainly not the next in a long-line of great Italian defenders judged on this.
Materazzi 3.5 – Confirmed his dreadful club season with a stinker of a game. Second to every ball, positionally all over the place, and no help at all to Barzagli. If it was up to me, he would never play for Italy again.
Zambrotta 6 – The best of a bad bunch, although improved greatly as the game went on, going on one excellent run in the second half down the left.
Gattuso 6 – Battled as usual in midfield, and slowly took charge as the game wore on, but as proven for Milan this season his levels have quite clearly dropped from the World Cup two years ago.
Pirlo 7 – Unsurprisingly Italy’s best midfielder. Brilliant through-ball to put Grosso through on goal, while he would have scored with a magnificent free-kick, had it not been for Van der Sar’s miraculous save.
Ambrosini 5 – Baffling decision by Donadoni to start him ahead of De Rossi, and he clearly was not in the same league as Sneijder and Van der Vaart. Missed a chance late on.
Camoranesi 4 – Anonymous on the right hand side of the trident. Quite why Donadoni waited until the 75th minute to take him off is another mystery.
Di Natale 6 – Far from Italy’s worst player. Di Natale worked hard, and had a few efforts, including one sweet volley that would have gone in had it not been straight at Van der Sar.
Toni 5 – Another disappointment. Looked strangely tired after a long campaign. Missed one glorious one-on-one opportunity.
Subs
Grosso 8 – Donadoni's worst decision was not starting Grosso, who caused havoc down the left after coming on. Could and should have scored when alone with Van der Sar.
Del Piero 7 – Excellent after coming on. Looked really sharp, was inventive, and had two fine efforts at goal. Must start the next game.
Cassano 7 – Scandalously only offered 15 minutes at the end, but did more with virtually his first touch of the ball than Camoranesi did for 75 minutes before him. A magnificent chipped pass to put Toni through. Also must start along with Del Piero against Romania.
Carlo Garganese, Goal.com
Van der Sar 8.5 – Had little to do in the first half but proved his worth after the break, with a simply world class stop from Pirlo’s free kick. Also saved a one-on-one from Grosso.
Boulahrouz 7 – Has barely played in two years, but was a big surprise tonight. Coped well with Di Natale’s pace down the Italian left.
Mathijsen 6.5 – Relatively solid at the heart of the Dutch defence. Organised those around him.
Ooijer 6.5 – Most would have tipped him to be crucified by Toni, but the Blackburn veteran coped well with the prolific forward.
Van Bronckhorst 9 – Absolutely outstanding. Completely neutralised Camoranesi defensively, while he headed off the line before providing a superb cross-field pass in the build-up to the second goal. Also scored Holland’s third to crown a superb display. Man-of-the-match.
De Jong 7 – Took charge of the midfield in the first half, and kept his discipline in front of the back four despite heavy second half Italian pressure.
Engelaar 7 – Similar assessment for De Jong. He may not look like a footballer but the Goliath-sized midfielder was a physical presence in the middle-of-the-park.
Sneijder 8 – Outstanding was the Real Madrid man. His shot set-up Van Nistelrooy’s goal, while he scored the brilliant second goal, which at present is the goal of the tournament.
Van der Vaart 8 – Surely set to join a European giant after this performance. Skilful, creative, and a delightful array of passes, including one that put Van Nistelrooy clean through at 2-0.
Kuyt 8 – Battled hard as usual, and had the final assist on both the second and third Dutch goals. A real pain in the backside for any defender.
Van Nistelrooy 7.5 – Terrorised Barzagli and Materazzi. Scored Holland’s opener, although I will leave it up to you to decide if it was offside. Also could have had two others, squandering one-on-one chances.
Subs
Van Persie 6 – Looked reasonably sharp on his injury comeback and went close with one effort.
Heitinga 6 – Shored up the defence in the closing stages.
Afellay 6 – Almost grabbed a fourth with a vicious long-range shot.
ITALY
Buffon 6 – Partly to blame for first goal after a poor punch. Made one outstanding save from van Nistelrooy at 0-2. Did not communicate with his defenders as much as he should have.
Panucci 5.5 – Below par. Questionable whether he has the pace to play at right back in an international tournament. Did better when switched to the centre.
Barzagli 4 – Has never impressed without Cannavaro to hold his hand and this was proved tonight after a shocking performance. Certainly not the next in a long-line of great Italian defenders judged on this.
Materazzi 3.5 – Confirmed his dreadful club season with a stinker of a game. Second to every ball, positionally all over the place, and no help at all to Barzagli. If it was up to me, he would never play for Italy again.
Zambrotta 6 – The best of a bad bunch, although improved greatly as the game went on, going on one excellent run in the second half down the left.
Gattuso 6 – Battled as usual in midfield, and slowly took charge as the game wore on, but as proven for Milan this season his levels have quite clearly dropped from the World Cup two years ago.
Pirlo 7 – Unsurprisingly Italy’s best midfielder. Brilliant through-ball to put Grosso through on goal, while he would have scored with a magnificent free-kick, had it not been for Van der Sar’s miraculous save.
Ambrosini 5 – Baffling decision by Donadoni to start him ahead of De Rossi, and he clearly was not in the same league as Sneijder and Van der Vaart. Missed a chance late on.
Camoranesi 4 – Anonymous on the right hand side of the trident. Quite why Donadoni waited until the 75th minute to take him off is another mystery.
Di Natale 6 – Far from Italy’s worst player. Di Natale worked hard, and had a few efforts, including one sweet volley that would have gone in had it not been straight at Van der Sar.
Toni 5 – Another disappointment. Looked strangely tired after a long campaign. Missed one glorious one-on-one opportunity.
Subs
Grosso 8 – Donadoni's worst decision was not starting Grosso, who caused havoc down the left after coming on. Could and should have scored when alone with Van der Sar.
Del Piero 7 – Excellent after coming on. Looked really sharp, was inventive, and had two fine efforts at goal. Must start the next game.
Cassano 7 – Scandalously only offered 15 minutes at the end, but did more with virtually his first touch of the ball than Camoranesi did for 75 minutes before him. A magnificent chipped pass to put Toni through. Also must start along with Del Piero against Romania.
Carlo Garganese, Goal.com
De Rossi was very determined in today's "partitella" and was playing like it was a real match according to Corriere dello Sport. Del Piero was one of the best on the pitch aswell.These are the players we need right now:full of determination.
Btw www.corrieredellosport.it is one of the best Italian websites in my opinion.
Btw www.corrieredellosport.it is one of the best Italian websites in my opinion.
Both will play, no worries there. We can only hope they can undo Donadoni's mistakes.
What does worry me, and not just because it's Italy, is Holland's first goal. Even though Italy didn't lose the game because of it, it's quite strange that UEFA think it's alright to start changing rules during a tournament. There was a similar incident in Italy a while ago and UEFA officials concluded that if a player were to be down injured, the goal would not stand. As this was obviously the case, the goal should not have stood. In order to protect the referee however, UEFA have decided to change the rule during a tournament, suddenly stating that even if because of injury a player not on the pitch can put everyone onside.
If rules can change during the course of game, anything can happen.
What does worry me, and not just because it's Italy, is Holland's first goal. Even though Italy didn't lose the game because of it, it's quite strange that UEFA think it's alright to start changing rules during a tournament. There was a similar incident in Italy a while ago and UEFA officials concluded that if a player were to be down injured, the goal would not stand. As this was obviously the case, the goal should not have stood. In order to protect the referee however, UEFA have decided to change the rule during a tournament, suddenly stating that even if because of injury a player not on the pitch can put everyone onside.
If rules can change during the course of game, anything can happen.
It was H2H first but since all the matches between Italy, Denmark and Sweden ended draws and because all of them ended up with the same number of points a mini table was created. In that mini table all 3 had same number of points and same goal difference but Italians scored 1 goal, Denmark 2 while Sweden 3.
Check out the following article from www.uefa.com - There was another similar incident & the referee got it wrong & apologised publicly.
That rule, which is still invented right now, even if there was an incident a month ago is bullshit for several reasons:
1. It is said it has to prevent defenders from deliberately stepping off the pitch. That's not what Panucci did. He went down.
2. It cannot coexist with other rules of the game. You do not need permission from the referee to be off the pitch. If you were to go to Hong Kong whilst your team was playing a game, you'd put everyone in Europe onside.. that's what the UEFA is trying to tell us.
3. And this is the tricky part
, Van Nistelrooij was closer to the goalline than Panucci.. just think about that one for a sec.
1. It is said it has to prevent defenders from deliberately stepping off the pitch. That's not what Panucci did. He went down.
2. It cannot coexist with other rules of the game. You do not need permission from the referee to be off the pitch. If you were to go to Hong Kong whilst your team was playing a game, you'd put everyone in Europe onside.. that's what the UEFA is trying to tell us.
3. And this is the tricky part
, Van Nistelrooij was closer to the goalline than Panucci.. just think about that one for a sec.- Status