October War,حرب أكتوبر or מלחמת יום ה&#14 (2 Viewers)

RAMI-N

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Aug 22, 2006
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I did not support Jadid, but he seemed a good guy relatively to Al-Asad who did nothing on all sectors.

I would understand if he gave up Golan in order to deploy his resources to make a manufacturing, agricultural, infrastructure development in his country. But in fact, he did nothing. His only concern was to stay the president and to inherit the presidency to his son as if Syria is his own farm.

You know Refaat could not do that alone. No? And who brought Refaat in the first place to politics?

Ok. Forget about that. What about his destroying to Tal Al-Zaatar camp in Lebanon?

What about occupying Lebanon for more than 20 years?

What about being the first Arab president to inherit presidency to his son?
I totally agree with you about the bold part... it's unacceptable in democracy, Abed.
Although he brought his brother Refaat to politics, he exiled him after what happened in Hamah and Damascus! (Did you watch Refaat through his own TV station when Hafez passed away?)...
And you are talking about occupying Lebanon? I admit the Syrian army did many horrible things there, but there was a civil war in Lebanon and Syrians were asked to intervene! they did bad things there but they also stopped a really ugly civil war...

About the Tal Al-Zaatar incident, I really don't know anything about it...
 

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Naggar

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Sep 4, 2007
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#22
Is this officially celebrated in Egypt?
baybee I get today off every year.

Yes. The best thing that happened during those annual celebrations took place in 1981.
I didn't like him, but assasination is never a good thing.

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I gotta add that the war happened during Ramadan in day-time and the soldiers brought back Sinai while fasting, to shut the Momo-fasting haters up :p
 

Naggar

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Sep 4, 2007
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No it's not exactly, but our situation now is better than Lebanon, Jordan and Palestine's because of what Sadat did
if he didn't propose peace talks we would've lost more than just Sinai in a few months after the 73 war, and USA was more than ready to help Israel hit back

that IMO is one good thing he did for Egyptians (only) beside the war, but he wanted to be open to the west and closed to Arabs, that I dislike.. complete opposite of Nasser
not to mention how he ruiend our economy and every good think Nasser did just so he looks better than him


Why is it celebrated as a victory when in reality it wasn't one?
It wasn't?
 

RAMI-N

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Aug 22, 2006
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Completely agreed.
The thing is the majority of Egyptians (I have a lot of friends who told me so) still consider Israel as an enemy (same with the Syrians).
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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@Naggar: it really wasn't. There was some initial succes, after that things could have gotten very ugly for you and you were very lucky they didn't.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Maybe because it was a reply to 1967 attack and because Egypt and Syria got back few parts of their land...
I guess people see it as a moral victory because it showed that Israel wasn't untouchable. However one could just as easily consider it a defeat.
 

RAMI-N

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Aug 22, 2006
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I guess people see it as a moral victory because it showed that Israel wasn't untouchable. However one could just as easily consider it a defeat.
Surely it was a moral victory, only because it was the first time the Arabs initiated a war against Israel...
Personally I consider it a defeat.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Rami, because Hafez Al Assad IMHO is a criminal that committed massacres in Lebanon and one of the reasons civil war took place.

Him, alongside Yaser Arafat in my books deserved death penalty.
 

Naggar

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Sep 4, 2007
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Completely agreed.
The thing is the majority of Egyptians (I have a lot of friends who told me so) still consider Israel as an enemy (same with the Syrians).
Yes, people for sure still consider Israel the major enemy, and until a few years ago the majority believed in Arabism and such things
until recently, it seems there are secret plans to convince people that Arabs hate us and we should only mind our own country, go to any Arabic video on youtube, specially football, you'll find a comment that says "I'm (name) from (Arab country) and we all hate you Egyptians", then a million replies from Egyptians..
that guy surely represents himself only, not a whole Arab nation, and could easily be anything.. I find it jewish plans and I have no proof
but I have a lot of Arab friends and none of them hate Egyptian people, but we all hate almost all Arab governments
our government on the other hand is allied with Israel it seems, but and we all hate it here.
other Arab nations did business with Israel and no Arab opened his mouth, but when Egypt did it all Arabs hated us suddenly, I'm against it, but also people should be more subjective.

@Naggar: it really wasn't. There was some initial succes, after that things could have gotten very ugly for you and you were very lucky they didn't.
Agreed
Could've.. but thats why his peace talks were a brilliant idea
 
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Gamaro

Gamaro

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Aug 6, 2007
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    Btw, Hafez Al Assad shouldn't be RIP.
    I can understand why you hate Hafez,as long as you are a lebanese you will always hate him:D

    You do not expect me to say those. No?:shifty:

    IMO this war was not a real war. It was a play just like Hamlet.
    Why did you exclude king Faisal?

    And why it was not real?

    I find my birthday to be far more thread-worthy than this.

    And bicycles are heavily used here with or without oil supply, you fat Arab.
    I bet iyour father himself doesn't know when your birthday is.

    Anyway Please post a thread when you celebrate you next birthday.

    and BTW,ask your daddy,how Europeans suffered during the oil embargo in 1973,and if he doesn't know then please go read history before you come and bark here.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

    I never knew that i'm fat.

    Yes. The best thing that happened during those annual celebrations took place in 1981.
    Assasination:disagree:

    Dear i just don't like your opinion that only Hamas are patriot and anyone else in the Arab world is traitor.

    I compelety agree with you that Camp David Accord was his biggest mistake and perhaps the biggest mistake made by an arab president in the 20th century,but in fact it was just a mistake not a treason,i don't consider Saddat as traitor he just mismanaged the things.But i do agree that Mubark is the biggest traitor ever the history has witnessed.

    Now regarding the assasination,it should not be accepted at all mate,i as told u think Mubark is the reason behind all the problems in the middle east and dream of the day we all get rid of him,but i will never go and assasinate him.

    Why is it celebrated as a victory when in reality it wasn't one?
    Maybe because it was a reply to 1967 attack and because Egypt and Syria got back few parts of their land...
    @Naggar: it really wasn't. There was some initial succes, after that things could have gotten very ugly for you and you were very lucky they didn't.
    Yes,it was a victory,if you look at it from many angles,it was.

    First of all as Juve-Prince said some of the land was regained back,and what is more important is a militaristic victory that was done when the Egyptian destroyed Bar lev line,a line that Israelis claimed before war that it is uncrossable.

    If it was not a defeat to Israel,then why Golda Meir resigned? Why Shmuel Gonen was forced to leave the service? if it was not a defeat then what was the Agranat commission investigating about? And why the Israeli ppl themselves were protesting on roads?

    It is just stupid how you people don't know anything about history and then come and argue.

    And if the war wasn't really going against Israel,US would have never put their nose in between.

    And one thing more,Camp David accord.It was a real trap to Egypt to pull it from the Arab-Israel conflict,as after the October war it was simply proved that Egypt can just easily attack Israel.

    ßöмßäяðîëя;2719655 said:
    War is always a defeat.
    hbdfdfedffasdflenfrgbfpkberekwn.

    I agree. Nothing will remove those idiots except a huge revolution from the Pacific Ocean to the Arab Gulf. Until that happens, we'll stay stuck with idiots as presidents and kings.
    Indeed.
     

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