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Fred

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To be honest even though the defensive midfield position was a weakness for ages. The second half of the season, Coquelin was amazing there i couldn't ask any more. I know it was just 4 months so there is no guarantee he can sustain that level over a more prolonged period, but if he does i honestly don't think we would need a starting dm. Still we're an injury away from playing Arteta or Flamini, which is a disgrace really, so worst case scenario I'd like to see at least a young dm brought in (unless one of the youngsters can step up, I hear Bielik is a promising prospect) . The most pressing area I'd like to see strengthened is the striker position. I'd honestly lose all hope if we started the season with one of Giroud, Welbeck or Walcott.
 

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Seven

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To be honest even though the defensive midfield position was a weakness for ages. The second half of the season, Coquelin was amazing there i couldn't ask any more. I know it was just 4 months so there is no guarantee he can sustain that level over a more prolonged period, but if he does i honestly don't think we would need a starting dm. Still we're an injury away from playing Arteta or Flamini, which is a disgrace really, so worst case scenario I'd like to see at least a young dm brought in (unless one of the youngsters can step up, I hear Bielik is a promising prospect) . The most pressing area I'd like to see strengthened is the striker position. I'd honestly lose all hope if we started the season with one of Giroud, Welbeck or Walcott.
:lol:

The weakness is just too much..
 

Fr3sh

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i dont

japan is totally different then china

you better watch out, the US will take over canada soon.

but you know all that ;)
The states can barely stay united lol what are they gonna try to do with extra territories, give the populace guns :lol:

Canada is the states bitch and will remain so for a long time.
 

Osman

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Morata, Bonucci and Vidal should do it, with Allegri as assistant manager.
Haha, easy peasy :D Though they dont need Bonucci type of defender IMO, prolly need more of a Barzagli type.

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To be honest even though the defensive midfield position was a weakness for ages. The second half of the season, Coquelin was amazing there i couldn't ask any more. I know it was just 4 months so there is no guarantee he can sustain that level over a more prolonged period, but if he does i honestly don't think we would need a starting dm. Still we're an injury away from playing Arteta or Flamini, which is a disgrace really, so worst case scenario I'd like to see at least a young dm brought in (unless one of the youngsters can step up, I hear Bielik is a promising prospect) . The most pressing area I'd like to see strengthened is the striker position. I'd honestly lose all hope if we started the season with one of Giroud, Welbeck or Walcott.
You still need a starting DM, with out due respect to Coquelin who did well enough, but the very fact Wenger thinks his talents he handpicked is good enough to carry the load entirely is the exact reason you havent won a trophy that matters for a decade now. Buy a top quality starting DM and have the young kid Coquelin rotate/be the backup. Unless you still want to be dominated by likes of Monaco just because they actually have midfielders who arent soft asses that leave acres of space and dont help their defence whatsoever.
 

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Am I the only one that doesn't think 30M is such a bad sum of money taking into consideration today's inflated market?

Or is it because I am the only one who actually rates Bacca? :D

I've only seen J.Martinez (not Jorge before any of you wanna get smart) in CL and NT games, so perhaps I'm not in much of a position to have an opinion on him, but I've watched quite a lot of Bacca. To be honest Bacca has always impressed me more.
I don't get the level of mirth.

Seems a fairly unremarkable transfer to me.

Player has done well for the last couple of years.

Certainly don't think you could criticise Milan if the fee had been 25m instead of 30m, but that won't be looked back on as being significant if he does well.

To be honest even though the defensive midfield position was a weakness for ages. The second half of the season, Coquelin was amazing there i couldn't ask any more. I know it was just 4 months so there is no guarantee he can sustain that level over a more prolonged period, but if he does i honestly don't think we would need a starting dm. Still we're an injury away from playing Arteta or Flamini, which is a disgrace really, so worst case scenario I'd like to see at least a young dm brought in (unless one of the youngsters can step up, I hear Bielik is a promising prospect) . The most pressing area I'd like to see strengthened is the striker position. I'd honestly lose all hope if we started the season with one of Giroud, Welbeck or Walcott.
I don't understand why Alex Song is being allowed to sign for West Ham.

There are very few clubs in the world who wouldn't be better with him in the team or as an important squad player.

And Coquelin seems to be the greatest new, young defensive midfielder at Arsenal since Denilson was the greatest new, young defensive midfielder at Arsenal.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Am I the only one that doesn't think 30M is such a bad sum of money taking into consideration today's inflated market?

Or is it because I am the only one who actually rates Bacca? :D

I've only seen J.Martinez (not Jorge before any of you wanna get smart) in CL and NT games, so perhaps I'm not in much of a position to have an opinion on him, but I've watched quite a lot of Bacca. To be honest Bacca has always impressed me more.

I've seen Bacca play a lot for Brugge. While I do rate him, I think he is barely good enough for subtop teams. Sevilla, Milan, Wolfsburg, Arsenal, .. You know, not Juventus, Real Madrid or Chelsea.

That being said his statistics are very, very decent.
 

Fred

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Haha, easy peasy :D Though they dont need Bonucci type of defender IMO, prolly need more of a Barzagli type.

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You still need a starting DM, with out due respect to Coquelin who did well enough, but the very fact Wenger thinks his talents he handpicked is good enough to carry the load entirely is the exact reason you havent won a trophy that matters for a decade now. Buy a top quality starting DM and have the young kid Coquelin rotate/be the backup. Unless you still want to be dominated by likes of Monaco just because they actually have midfielders who arent soft asses that leave acres of space and dont help their defence whatsoever.
Monaco aside, Coquelin performed admirably for most of the second half of the season. It's hard for me to hold the Monaco game against him when the whole team was terrible in that game. And I really do think you're underrating Coquelin or at least underrating his performances. Now for me, the big question is whether he can keep up that level, because if he can, then he is good enough to be our starting DM. Schneiderlin is not a big enough upgrade over Coquelin if the latter kept up his form IMO, at least not from a defensive standpoint. Coquelin is just as good a tackler and interceptor of the ball as Schneiderlin, and that is what we were missing in midfield. It makes little difference to me that Schneiderlin is a better footballer in general; certainly not a difference I'd be willing to pay 35M on.

That being said, if Krychowiak would come at a reasonable price, I'd love it if we were to make a move for him. He's just as good as Schneiderlin and would most probably come cheaper and command less wages.

I don't get the level of mirth.

Seems a fairly unremarkable transfer to me.

Player has done well for the last couple of years.

Certainly don't think you could criticise Milan if the fee had been 25m instead of 30m, but that won't be looked back on as being significant if he does well.



I don't understand why Alex Song is being allowed to sign for West Ham.

There are very few clubs in the world who wouldn't be better with him in the team or as an important squad player.

And Coquelin seems to be the greatest new, young defensive midfielder at Arsenal since Denilson was the greatest new, young defensive midfielder at Arsenal.
I agree about Bacca and Song. I'd love if we were to bring Song in, but I doubt he'd accept sitting on the bench though :D

As for the Coquelin - Denilson comparison. That's a terrible comparison, every Arsenal fan would tell you that. The day Denilson left for Brazil, I was happier than the day we bought Ozil. For me Denilson never impressed me, he was a player that only impressed in the Carling Cup, he had no discernible skill set. He just ran around all game, getting out muscled by everybody, he had zero technique for a Brazilian too. Terrible player, probably one of the worst midfielders to start for Arsenal in recent memory.

Coquelin in contrast, played an amazing second half of a season. He killed it in the FA Cup, against United in the quarters, against City at the Ittihad, against Liverpool at the Emirates. In addition to being very consistent in general in the league. He was one of the top defensive midfielders in the league last season. His interception, tackling ability and work rate was such a breath of fresh air. Again, it's happened before with us, players have had purple patches and faded away so I've become quite reserved when it comes to those young players Wenger plucks out of nowhere. So I cannot be sure that he'll replicate last season's performances, if he does though, we will not regret starting him.

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I've seen Bacca play a lot for Brugge. While I do rate him, I think he is barely good enough for subtop teams. Sevilla, Milan, Wolfsburg, Arsenal, .. You know, not Juventus, Real Madrid or Chelsea.

That being said his statistics are very, very decent.
I can only accept that jab, because he's definitely an upgrade on Giroud :p

I would say though, if Mandzukic is good enough for Juve, then so is Bacca.

Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, City and co have world class strikers. Obviously Bacca would not stand a chance in those teams.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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I can only accept that jab, because he's definitely an upgrade on Giroud :p

I would say though, if Mandzukic is good enough for Juve, then so is Bacca.

Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, City and co have world class strikers. Obviously Bacca would not stand a chance in those teams.
Numberswise you'd expect him to be. But as a football player I'm not sure. Somehow he looks like the kind of guy who just gets lucky all the time.
 

Fred

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Numberswise you'd expect him to be. But as a football player I'm not sure. Somehow he looks like the kind of guy who just gets lucky all the time.
Actually number wise, Giroud isn't too bad. That's why people who don't watch Arsenal rate Giroud :D

For the rest of us, who have to cope with his constant losing of the ball, his poor first touch, the amount of opportunities he misses, the fact that he's useless if he's not close to the box; we know he's really average.

Bacca although not being the most skillful, can at least hold the ball up well. I don't know about his time at Belgium, but it certainly looks like he's getting better every season with Sevilla. Again, it's like Red said, he's not in the bracket of top class strikers. But he's a good striker that is a good addition for Milan.
 
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