No countries,No Religion = The World a Better Place? (8 Viewers)

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Apr 12, 2004
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Before starting to throw your insults everywhere, I'm sick discussing that issue everywhere I go. You've been convinced or not, you like it or not, I believe that the distance between Judaism and Zionism is like the distance between our galaxy and the farest one. The vile occuping of the historical Palestine land has been the greatest lie and myth in the history.

Check this page.

Please, try to end the discussion here.
I'm not checking some other page, I'm arguing here, and if it is that religious page, I think it is biased.
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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#24
Millions have died because of their religion or what their religion thought.
I can't get this sentence, it is very general and misleading.

What guilt did people, who have died because of their religion, do to deserve such an endings? It is all related to the greedy historical ba*tards whom the world has suffered from and will suffer for sure till the last day of life over the face of the earth.
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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I'm not checking some other page, I'm arguing here, and if it is that religious page, I think it is biased.
You think, that's brilliant......

Anyways, the complete argument is here now. Enjoy.

Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.

Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.

There is a vile lie, which stalks the Jewish people across the globe. It is a lie so heinous, so far from the truth, that it can only gain popularity due to the complicity of powerful forces in the "mainstream" media and educational establishment.

It is a lie which has brought many innocent people untold suffering and if unchecked has the potential to create extraordinary tragedy in the future.
It is the lie that declares that Judaism and Zionism are identical.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai. It is the belief that exile is a punishment for Jewish sins.

Zionism has for over a century denied Sinaitic revelation. It believes that Jewish exile can be ended by military aggression.

Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the Palestinian people. It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to persecution, torture and death.

Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short-lived dogma of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced.

The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not.

We of Neturei Karta have been in the forefront of the battle against Zionism for over a century.

Our presence here is to refute the base lie that the evil, which is Zionism, in some way represents the Jewish people.

The reverse is true.

We are saddened day in and day out at the terrible toll of death emanating from the Holy Land. Not one of them would have occurred if Zionism had not unleashed its evil energies upon the world.

As Jews we are called upon to live in peace and harmony with all men. We are exhorted to be law abiding and patriotic citizens in all lands.

We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. We yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome its abolition in a peaceful manner.

May we be worthy of true redemption when all men will join in brotherhood in His worship.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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#30
People will always be confrontational and greedy... those are the facets of human nature. The human being will always want more, dislike some aspects of life, dislike others, and will perpetually do things for their own benefit. This did not come about because of religion or nationalism... rather, it is just the way we have always been and forever will be. Eliminate borders and religion and you have people fighting amongst themselves even more because you'll basically have a world-wide communist state... people waiting in lines for goods and services while the people who own the place live like kings... we all know communism will never work because the human being is inherently greedy.

This whole discussion is only propaganda for people who cannot tolerate religion and opposing viewpoints. That, in itself, is another aspect... or should I say error... of human nature.
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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#31
People will always be confrontational and greedy... those are the facets of human nature. The human being will always want more, dislike some aspects of life, dislike others, and will perpetually do things for their own benefit. This did not come about because of religion or nationalism... rather, it is just the way we have always been and forever will be. Eliminate borders and religion and you have people fighting amongst themselves even more because you'll basically have a world-wide communist state... people waiting in lines for goods and services while the people who own the place live like kings... we all know communism will never work because the human being is inherently greedy.

This whole discussion is only propaganda for people who cannot tolerate religion and opposing viewpoints. That, in itself, is another aspect... or should I say error... of human nature.
I think that the highlighted paragraph is a little bit mysterious and it needs some clarification, if the poster is willing of course.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,176
#32
I think that the highlighted paragraph is a little bit mysterious and it needs some clarification, if the poster is willing of course.
Tolerance of diversity is something many people throughout this world do not have. From what I have seen, the people who continue to blast religion and castigate others for their personal beliefs are not really helping their cause because they're being "quasi-hypocrites." They think religion is a farce that only creates wars and suffering and whomever disagrees with them do not know what they're talking about. But what they fail to realize is that nobody is created equal, nor does everybody have the same opinions on anything. This intolerance for opposing views, and of course greed on the behalf of human nature, is the REAL cause of all the wars in the world. And this is something that is inherent and would still exist even without religion.

Country borders are not the only thing that can divide... race and language barriers divide as well. It's not so simple people.
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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#33
I agree with you, Andy. You are talking generally and this gives a value to the whole discussion. Actually, the debate have been taken far from the main topic due to mentioning some specific historical events and clashes. But I prefer to be on topic, keep on.
 

Jem83

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Nov 7, 2005
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#34
Well I for one believe that religion prevents people from having more orgies and that sucks, generally speaking
 
Jul 5, 2005
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#35
Its not possible,but if it WAS possible,would the world be a better place?

In prehistoric Earth there weren't countries and religions but peaple were fighting each other for food or leadership like animals. But In nowdays i think that humanity has become worst of animals.

Civilization of Robot peaple - No thanks. :angry2:
 
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