Nicolò Zaniolo - AM - Roma (14 Viewers)

[pavluska]

Kulusevski never plays at the left side, neither did he at Atalanta’s primavera. Zaniolo is also basically never used in a role with more defensive tasks. We’ve yet to understand if they’re both capable to play in that role.

Kulusevski has a lot of discipline and covers a lot of ground, but imo he’s defensively not very good.

If we want them to work in a system we should forget using a regista and try this:

Ronaldo - Dybala - Zaniolo
———— Kulusevski
Arthur ——————— Bentancur

Its the same as Ajax played against us with Van de Beek who during the attacking phase makes a lot of runs and gets between the lines. I don’t think he’s a top player, but he’s pretty complete as he knows to defend.

Neither is good enough to be difference making starter for top club yet. They'd likely compete for a spot.

 

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[Nedved96]

Higher ceiling than Pogba? .... Yeah... No.

19 year old Zaniolo is easily as good as a 19 year old Pogba.

If you compare Pogba in 2012/13 to Zaniolo in 2018/19, I would find it very hard to pick one or the other.

 

[Cerval]

19 year old Zaniolo is easily as good as a 19 year old Pogba.

If you compare Pogba in 2012/13 to Zaniolo in 2018/19, I would find it very hard to pick one or the other.

Stahp

Pogba's breakthrough over his first two seasons was the most overwhelming rise I've seen at Juve

 

[Nedved96]

Pogba's breakthrough over his first two seasons was the most overwhelming rise I've seen at Juve

But again, was 2013 Pogba a better player than 2019 Zaniolo?

That’s debatable.

 

[LiquidPLP]

I simply can't see Zaniolo play B2B at Juve.

 

[Bianconero81]

But again, was 2013 Pogba a better player than 2019 Zaniolo?

That’s debatable.

Yes he was dude. It's not debatable. Zaniolo is a wonderful player, but just because we're linked to him doesn't mean we have to exaggerate his accomplishments and deploy some twisted revisionist BS to make him look better than Pogba.

 

[pavluska]

19 yo Pogba became stater at Juve and was playing like a top CM. He was already a top CM.

Zaniolo wasn't even guaranteed starter at Roma.

But Pogba never reached his full potential (not career wise or in terms of sustained level), maybe Zaniolo can be better. Xavi and Pirlo weren't that good at 19. Looking that good at 19 is rare.

 

[Bianconero81]

I simply can't see Zaniolo play B2B at Juve.

You know nothing

 

[Nedved96]

I simply can't see Zaniolo play B2B at Juve.

4231

ST: Dybala
LW: Ronaldo
AM: Zaniolo
RW: Kulusevski or Torres
CM: Rabiot or Arthur
CM: Bentancur

 

[LiquidPLP]

You know nothing

And vice versa?

 

[Bianconero81]

4231

ST: Dybala
LW: Ronaldo
AM: Zaniolo
RW: Kulusevski or Torres
CM: Rabiot or Arthur
CM: Bentancur

I like that. I like it a lot.

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And vice versa?

I know everything. I am the oracle Bro. I am the Cronios of the Asia Pacific region

 

[U Picciriddu]

Neither is good enough to be difference making starter for top club yet. They'd likely compete for a spot.

We have Costa of course - when fit.
But personally I wouldn’t mind to play like that, we’d be building the foundations for the next decade. Add David Silva or another experienced, technical gifted AM and we’re good.

Btw its not start our current starters are making the difference..

 

[Bianconero81]

We have Costa of course - when fit.
But personally I wouldn’t mind to play like that, we’d be building the foundations for the next decade. Add David Silva or another experienced, technical gifted AM and we’re good.

Btw is not start our current starters are making the difference..

No to David Silva. He's already 34. I'd rather steer clear of old geezers with nothing left to prove. Let's continue with the rejuvenation or bring in established stars in their 20s (mid 20s is fine).

 

[U Picciriddu]

No to David Silva. He's already 34. I'd rather steer clear of old geezers with nothing left to prove. Let's continue with the rejuvenation or bring in established stars in their 20s (mid 20s is fine).

Yea I would agree, but there’s a difference. He’s really good and free. And besides that our midfield would have 4 U25 players, Ramsey and him. So he’d actually be the experienced guy. I’d sell Khedira and Matuidi.

 

[Nedved96]

But Pogba never reached his full potential (not career wise or in terms of sustained level), maybe Zaniolo can be better. Xavi and Pirlo weren't that good at 19. Looking that good at 19 is rare.

This is true. Fabregas at 19 was the best teenage midfielder I have ever seen, yet he never reached his potential either.

 

[pavluska]

I think we can write 4231 off. Not possible with Ronaldo. No one to defend left side.

 

[Nedved96]

I think we can write 4231 off. Not possible with Ronaldo. No one to defend left side.

How do you fit Zaniolo, Ronaldo and Dybala into the same lineup?

Either we play 3412
Or we play a diamond 4312
Or Zaniolo adapts to b2b role in a 3 man midfield

 

[U Picciriddu]

I think we can write 4231 off. Not possible with Ronaldo. No one to defend left side.

It depends. The LCM can defend the left side while defending, and the RW should drop back to not get outnumbered. And in case of emergency the AM needs to drop back aswel, leaving Dybala and Ronaldo upfront. But it requires a lot of discipline from the players. With Kulu for example we know by fact that he’d run his ass off for the team, but it’s difficult to say how much we’ll suffer with Zaniolo and Kulusevski in the defending phase. It’s possible imo with the right mentors and training, we’ve seen the positive transition with Cuadrado. But for sure it’s not a easy one.

 

[Gigiventus]

How do you fit Zaniolo, Ronaldo and Dybala into the same lineup?

Either we play 3412
Or we play a diamond 4312
Or Zaniolo adapts to b2b role in a 3 man midfield

Why not 433? Just play all of them in their natural roles.

Ronaldo - Dybala - Zaniolo

He is Roma's RW most times and plays there for Mancini too

 

[pavluska]

How do you fit Zaniolo, Ronaldo and Dybala into the same lineup?

Either we play 3412
Or we play a diamond 4312
Or Zaniolo adapts to b2b role in a 3 man midfield

Zaniolo is a midfielder, he can CM (mezzala role). Played that, RW and AM for Roma.

So, any formation that has any of those roles.

I'm sure his versatility is one of the reasons for our interest. For three yrs, we are trying to figure out our ideal formation between 433, 442 and 4312.