Nicolò Zaniolo - AM RC - Galatasaray (38 Viewers)

[Seven]

It's funny, I don't really like him that much as a player. He scores fantastic goals at time, but he evolved from a stylish player to somewhat of a bully on the pitch whose game mostly consists of shoving people around.

But for a guy of his calibre to so openly be a Juventus fan, that does make me want to see him at Juve.

 

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[DanielSz]

That is by far the best idea but it needs Zaniolo and Roma to cooperate.

Sucks that his contract doesn’t expire for another two years. Hope it’s not another SMS situation where he ends up renewing and then just gets stuck there.

 

[B3N]

Make it happen binni

 

[IlCapitano]

 

[X Æ A-12]

glad Chiesa has a friend to do lines with

 

[Bianconero81]

Shits on Retardi twice every day of the week and thrice on weekends.

 

[JCK]

It's funny, I don't really like him that much as a player. He scores fantastic goals at time, but he evolved from a stylish player to somewhat of a bully on the pitch whose game mostly consists of shoving people around.

But for a guy of his calibre to so openly be a Juventus fan, that does make me want to see him at Juve.

That profile fit our style more than others. I miss me a Lichtsteiner on the field.

 

[petersmit]

Wasn't giovinco also a die hard juventino? I was thrilled when we bought him back from Parma, also because of the juventino part. That transfer sucked big time. Hopefully we can buy him and he will succeed. Rather Zaniolo than Berardi or di maria

 

[Alin]

That profile fit our style more than others. I miss me a Lichtsteiner on the field.

That style does fit us and his talent is undeniable, however the main question here is if his knees can take it without having to visit Jmedical every other week…

Someone said in an earlier post that many are exaggerating the knee injuries and the concerns about it which makes me really wonder when are we supposed to have doubts about the fitness of a player if not when we already have a squad that stays weeks/months in rotation being injured and then the club decides to invest potentially over €40M out of a limited budget to bring in a star player that in the last few seasons went through the most horrific leg injuries in football all in the span of a couple of years, aside from all the other minor injuries he got in between that sidelined him for many other games without him ever getting to find any proper continuity.

Concerns regarding Zaniolo’s fitness are as justified as it gets.

 

[Robee]

That style does fit us and his talent is undeniable, however the main question here is if his knees can take it without having to visit Jmedical every other week…

Someone said in an earlier post that many are exaggerating the knee injuries and the concerns about it which makes me really wonder when are we supposed to have doubts about the fitness of a player if not when we already have a squad that stays weeks/months in rotation being injured and then the club decides to invest potentially over €40M out of a limited budget to bring in a star player that in the last few seasons went through the most horrific leg injuries in football all in the span of a couple of years, aside from all the other minor injuries he got in between that sidelined him for many other games without him ever getting to find any proper continuity.

Concerns regarding Zaniolo’s fitness are as justified as it gets.

That's the thing: ACL injuries are far from horrific these days. Minor injuries in the recuperating period are always to be expected.

It's one thing being cautious, it's another exaggerating everything.

 

[Alin]

That's the thing: ACL injuries are far from horrific these days.

It’s horrific enough for a club trying to rebuild and get back to winning ways potentially losing one of it’s star players for long periods while already having lost other first team players to other repetitive minor injuries…

I already made my argument pretty clear.

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It's one thing being cautious, it's another exaggerating everything.

I ask again, if a player who had 2ACL’s in two years cumulated with other minor injuries isn’t reason for concern and you see it as exaggerated than please provide an example of when it wouldn’t be exaggerated to point this out? After his 3rd ACL in almost as many years will that be more ok by you?

 

[Boksic]

I wouldn't worry about the minor injuries at this stage. They are pretty common in the season after knee injuries.

The 2 ACL injuries are the issue.

 

[Robee]

It’s horrific enough for a club trying to rebuild and get back to winning ways potentially losing one of it’s star players for long periods while already having lost other first team players to other repetitive minor injuries…

I already made my argument pretty clear.

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I ask again, if a player who had 2ACL’s in two years cumulated with other minor injuries isn’t reason for concern and you see it as exaggerated than please provide an example of when it wouldn’t be exaggerated to point this out? After his 3rd ACL in almost as many years will that be more ok by you?

As a sports physiotherapist; nope. What are the percentages of his ACL rupturing again, you think?

 

[Alin]

As a sports physiotherapist; nope. What are the percentages of his ACL rupturing again, you think?

To first answer your question, i don’t necessarilIy believe that another ACL is the main worry atm altough is certainly not off the cards either but that i rather think going forward the percentages are higher for him to just get a variety of more minor recurring injuries plus the eventual lack of continuity and pain that he will have to deal with which ultimately could also limit his potential.

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Once again tho, my main question for you was when are we supposed to be overly worried or concerned about a player’s fitness if not after the player had two ACL’s injuries in the span of a couple of years?… which along with the rumored €40M transfer fee makes the points made here about him not being exaggerated by any means, regardless of how talented he is.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Sucks that his contract doesn’t expire for another two years. Hope it’s not another SMS situation where he ends up renewing and then just gets stuck there.

Whether it’s this year or in two years, this guy is destined to play for us IMO.

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Wasn't giovinco also a die hard juventino? I was thrilled when we bought him back from Parma, also because of the juventino part. That transfer sucked big time. Hopefully we can buy him and he will succeed. Rather Zaniolo than Berardi or di maria

Nope. Giovinco came from a family of Milan fans. He was a Milanista growing up - even though he was born and grew up in Turin.

 

[Robee]

To first answer your question, i don’t necessarilIy believe that another ACL is the main worry atm altough is certainly not off the cards either but that i rather think going forward the percentages are higher for him to just get a variety of more minor recurring injuries plus the eventual lack of continuity and pain that he will have to deal with which ultimately could also limit his potential.

Once again tho, my main question for you was when are we supposed to be overly worried or concerned about a player’s fitness if not after the player had two ACL’s injuries in the span of a couple of years?… which along with the rumored €40M transfer fee makes the points made here about him not being exaggerated by any means, regardless of how talented he is.

Well, that's to be judged individually by his medical staff who have actual information about his health instead of guessing.

But I'd normally say 1 year after his return to sports the niggling injuries should lessen/stop. So yeah, it's hugely exaggerated since this is just the normal course of things. There will always be exceptions in either direction but they're just that; exceptions.

What's the reasoning; why would he have a variety of minor injuries, lack of continuity and pain? It's easy to suggest that but why? Because that's not how it works... There are objective tests for that and it's all part of the medical screenings.

 

[Alin]

Well, that's to be judged individually by his medical staff who have actual information about his health instead of guessing.

But I'd normally say 1 year after his return to sports the niggling injuries should lessen/stop. So yeah, it's hugely exaggerated since this is just the normal course of things. There will always be exceptions in either direction but they're just that; exceptions.

What's the reasoning; why would he have a variety of minor injuries, lack of continuity and pain? It's easy to suggest that but why? Because that's not how it works... There are objective tests for that and it's all part of the medical screenings.

I'm still very curious to know what might it be that in your view would not be labelled as exaggerated concerns or doubts about someone's fitness , what type of repetitive injuries or situations would you deem as actually warranting such excessive concerns? Taking everything that i listed in my previous posts into account ofc.

If 2 ACL injuries in two years followed by other repetitive minor muscular ones is not reason enough for concerns and huge question marks than i guess nothing will ever be and injury history should count for nothing after all.

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Look, just to clarify my position on this... Zaniolo coming here as a market opportunity for under €20M or for free would surely be a gamble worth taking, anything more is just too much given the risks that come with it, we lack leaders on the pitch, we need players that are fully fit and not afraid to go into challenges, players with continuity and immediate impact, something that we have been lacking lately... we probably got the worst injury record among all top teams and i find it really hard to believe that our solution to that while having a limited budget is to spend over €40M on another player that could just as easily end up spending more time in JMedical than on the pitch, or even worst will just not be able to replicate the form or find any continuity due to not being 100% fit all the time.

 

[Salvo]

I think he is worth the risk, him and a fit and firing chiesa either side of Vlahovic would be sexy.

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[Alin]

I think he is worth the risk, him and a fit and firing chiesa either side of Vlahovic would be sexy.

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It's a matter of preference as well ofc, perfectly understandable, but the main debate sparked from the point that having many concerns or doubts about his injury history cumulated with the rumored transfer fee would be an exaggerated take, which i disagree with firmly as they are in fact very justified concerns for numerous reasons that have already been enumerated by most of us here.

 

[maxi]

Why him though? This guy ain't worth the risk and honestly, I don't understand the big fuss. He's not exactly a world-beater by any means and his stats don't back him up either. 2 knees on the verge of collapsing as well. There are many other better and more reliable wingers out there.

This Italjuve obsession needs to stop.